6 items vayne is really obnoxious to play against

Sasogwa·Nov 26, 2015·5 votes·766 views

I could stand the fact that she has spammable dashes, and insane %max health true damage, though I really hate it. But for god's sake, give us a way to see her with trinkets. The thing is when you reach 6 items, you're like... oh well; do I still play with 5 items to have a pink in my inventory to be able to fight her? Or do I just get shit on because the lens and the orange sweep thing are garbage? Yes you can see a somewhat orange image of her with the but you can't target her. It's stupid because it lets her win automatically every duel even if you try your best possible to counterbuild, because she always has the advantage of the first hit.

TLDR: Give us back pink trinkets, or old Oracle's. That's all I ask.

17 Comments

Hayaishi2Nov 26, 20153 votes

Vayne needs to be gutted. She too oppressive once she gets items.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 26, 20152 votes

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Vayne needs to be gutted. She too oppressive once she gets items.

No she doesn't just gotta lower her max hp dmg by 2% and remove firecannon+shiv stacking and she'd be fine

Hayaishi2Nov 27, 20151 votes

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No she doesn't just gotta lower her max hp dmg by 2% and remove firecannon+shiv stacking and she'd be fine

Her problem is not the true damage, she can do 50% true damage if she wants, her problem is not being able to catch her/kill her unless you have very specific things like targeted nukes/cc and a pink ward in every damn fight she is in.

That makes her gameplay oppressive, everything else is icing on the cake.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 27, 20151 votes

Well I can catch/kill her but her doing more magic damage than the mid lane mage and destroying tanks regardless of hp/mr/armor is out of hand. The rest is fine.

Firecannon+Shiv= 2 hit squishies

12% max hp true damage=What's a tank? Can I eat it?

just making firecannon+shiv the same unique passive and lower the max hp true by 2% no base damage would bring her into line quite fine.

LaoBushidoNov 26, 20152 votes

vayne's range is short tho if you are fighting her then she should be in item 3364 range

SasogwaNov 26, 20151 votes

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vayne's range is short tho if you are fighting her then she should be in range

She is, but I can't hit her (you see an orange afterimage, but not targetable). So she has the initiative advantage and in a lategame duel with squishy champions, that's just too good. Imagine she has bursty items on top of that ( item 3094 item 3087 item 3078 ) that's just it

Ult, tumble, 2 autos, condemn, 1-2 autos, tumble, auto, you're dead. And you have no way to try and go attack her while she's invisible.

I'm fine with Vayne being strong late, I just ask for a pink trinket, so I have ways to fight her (even if it's still gonna be very hard, that would feel at least fair)

PennsNov 26, 20153 votes

Ult, tumble, 2 autos, you're dead.

Fixed that for you

EcchiOtakuTMNov 26, 20152 votes

They just need to lower the max hp damage by 2% and make firecannon+shiv the same unique passive and she'll be fine

spank me leeNov 26, 20151 votes

she got nerfed really hard, she feels fine to me now, and thats from someone who complained about her too

commit an heroNov 26, 20158 votes

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she got nerfed really hard, she feels fine to me now, and thats from someone who complained about her too

Nerfed really hard? What the actual fuck are you talking about?

spank me leeNov 26, 20151 votes

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Nerfed really hard? What the actual fuck are you talking about?

well, attack speed for level was gutted. and attack speed in general :/ and botrk was nerfed and cost increased... so...

SasogwaNov 26, 20151 votes

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well, attack speed for level was gutted. and attack speed in general :/ and botrk was nerfed and cost increased... so...

Do you think that allowing to choose pink trinkets would be a huge nerf in general to vayne though?

IcyPepperNov 26, 20153 votes

You do realize a champion can be nerfed without being gutted?

Look at these stats. Look at all of them.

Even if we ignore win rate (and to be fair, win rate isn't the only important statistic, so it's wise to evaluate as many as possible), she has higher than average kills per game, and for a late-game hypercarry she begins to tip over the 50% win rate after 25 minutes which is, well, generally midgame.

Yes, she got nerfed. No, she did not get gutted.

Gutted would be Urgot, hell Zed of all champions was gutted upon the ADC remake. Vayne? No, she got nerfed but she sees play on average 1 in 5 games for Plat+ ranked alone, and she begins to win games over 50% of the time after the 25 minute mark (and has a 48% win rate before 25 minutes, which is not bad for a supposedly late-game hypercarry).

Vayne is still strong. Don't insult champions that have actually been gutted because she got nerfs all across the board and still remains a strong, reliable competitive pick.

spank me leeNov 26, 20151 votes

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You do realize a champion can be nerfed without being gutted?

Look at these stats. Look at all of them.

Even if we ignore win rate (and to be fair, win rate isn't the only important statistic, so it's wise to evaluate as many as possible), she has higher than average kills per game, and for a late-game hypercarry she begins to tip over the 50% win rate after 25 minutes which is, well, generally midgame.

Yes, she got nerfed. No, she did not get gutted.

Gutted would be Urgot, hell Zed of all champions was gutted upon the ADC remake. Vayne? No, she got nerfed but she sees play on average 1 in 5 games for Plat+ ranked alone, and she begins to win games over 50% of the time after the 25 minute mark (and has a 48% win rate before 25 minutes, which is not bad for a supposedly late-game hypercarry).

Vayne is still strong. Don't insult champions that have actually been gutted because she got nerfs all across the board and still remains a strong, reliable competitive pick.

personally she feels ok to me now, she used to be able to 1v1 any adc at level 6, I don't really experience that anymore, but whatever

IcyPepperNov 26, 20151 votes

she used to be able to 1v1 any adc at level 6, I don't really experience that anymore,

And that's a good thing :V

RebonackNov 27, 20151 votes

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well, attack speed for level was gutted. and attack speed in general :/ and botrk was nerfed and cost increased... so...

You seem to be mistaking Vayne with Kog.

Vayne gets above a 50% win rate once the 25 minute mark rolls around.

Kog gets there never.

spank me leeNov 27, 20151 votes

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You seem to be mistaking Vayne with Kog.

Vayne gets above a 50% win rate once the 25 minute mark rolls around.

Kog gets there never.

but she actually does seem weak now, Its like how people complained that she never had a weak early, now she kinda does, lane bullies can kill her now, before she could just farm til 6 then just ult and kill anyone. giving her less early game strength and more late game strength is what hyper carries do, no? Just my personal take on it, vayne doesnt irritate me anymore :1