Bami's Cinder and Sunfire should stack

Transairion·3/4/2015, 4:24:20 AM·4 votes·5,027 views

The decision to give Cinder and Sunfire the exact same Unique Passive means if you buy Cinder, you can no longer buy Sunfire (as it will literally have no passive anymore). Tank itemization is already crummy and damage is poor, so I have no damn idea who thought it was a good idea to give a tank jungler 1 less item to buy unless they sell Bami later (given it's 25% health bonus, that's really not going to happen).

Is this just to stop champs like Jarvan/Vi/Lee from stacking both then tons of damage as they already do? 'Cause having a better jungle tank item at the cost of no longer being able to use a key tank item is just.... it's one step forward two steps back.

The closest comparison I can think of being blocked from using Hourglass because you bought Banshee's Viel already.

TLDR: You're buffing and nerfing tanks in the same patch by making Cinder invalidate Sunfire completely

7 Comments

Erockandroll3/4/2015, 4:33:42 AM3 votes

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Tank itemization is already crummy and damage is poor, so I have no damn idea who thought it was a good idea to give a tank jungler 1 less item to buy unless they sell Bami later (given it's 25% health bonus, that's really not going to happen).

Are we forgetting the fact that Tank's aren't suppose to do tons of damage? And that would get Redonculous on champs who already have Proximity DPS. (Amumu, Mundo, Shyvana(though you probably wouldn't build her tank), etc)

Really as a Jungle Tank (or even a Bruiser Jungler), you only need enough damage to clear camp. For me it's like, "OK, now I don't actually need Sunfire cape, I can substitute it with Randuins which gives me more Armor and slightly more health.

TheKingDodo3/4/2015, 4:29:03 AM1 votes

bring back the stacking sunfire! :D good days

Transairion3/4/2015, 4:38:43 AM1 votes

Are we forgetting the fact that Tank's aren't suppose to do tons of damage? And that would get Redonculous on champs who already have Proximity DPS. (Amumu, Mundo, Shyvana(though you probably wouldn't build her tank), etc)

Really as a Jungle Tank (or even a Bruiser Jungler), you only need enough damage to clear camp. For me it's like, "OK, now I don't actually need Sunfire cape, I can substitute it with Randuins which gives me more Armor and slightly more health.

If you need a Sunfire (what, 2600 gold?) to actually clear the camps then you're doing it wrong anyway.

You can say that, but tanks don't survive fights anymore either... so there has to be a middle ground between doing something useful and just walking around in the teamfight once all your cooldowns are blown. For me that's Sunfire/Thornmail/Abyssal and so on doing damage. With Bami into the mix, I might even start surviving fights.

Of course, we can't have tanks surviving teamfights anymore, they've got to remain the sacrificial lamb... >_

Kenwaz3/13/2015, 12:15:16 PM1 votes

I agree, Also we lost our Tenacity Item and that just blows. I do damage but I have no staying power in a fight.

InfernoDethviper3/14/2015, 10:44:29 PM1 votes

Bami's Cinders already builds into Sunfire, so what buy to sunfires?