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there's a reason its called "bot" and not ADC/marksman.

YoIocaust··7 votes·922 views

i see ADC as a flawed role for soloQ. its a role designed to be protected in a queue where people take random shit half the time, i fucking hate being the average adc while my team takes shit like lee sin+janna+renekton while the enemy have a braum+cait+rengar + more. IVE HAD MORE SUCCESS JUST TAKING BLITZ/LEONA+XIN BOT AND WIN LATEGAME OR SORAKA+YASUO. hell, if adc's wasnt a thing we'd have more variety and less reliance of 1 player who can possibly make the support role shit to play aswell.

adc is a flawed role for SOLOQ and riot purposely allow them to abuse "bruiser" items like youmuus+cleaver for solo play. i hope people understand where im coming from, ive played adc over 1000 times and am saying this, melee carries/semi glasscannon bruisers are the way to go if ur team picks a bunch of unsynergetic early game shit.

if what im saying is a load of bollocks, tell me why adc is a fantastic role to play with lee+renekton+janna vs an overloaded AoE teamcomp or be a thicko leave a downvote with no comment then fuck off ASAP.

26 Comments

Requiemsfire3 votes

The reason the marksman role exists as a standard of all teams in a meta and probably will always be in that meta is because the marksman provides ranged dps where they can build completely glass cannon without having to come into melee range. While someone like Xin zhao deals substantial DPS that's only to a single target because he has one gap closer, if he ends up CC'd then he'll die if he built glass cannon.

If there was something with a strong engage/disengage, then your composition idea would absolutely fail due to the limited nature of melee champions, examples include Amumu Nami Leona Thresh MonkeyKing.

Ranged champions have the following advantages:

  • Safety
  • Kiting ability
  • Safe waveclear
  • potential objective control
  • Poke

This is why your team should have a marksmen in most cases.

It's all well and good that your strategy might work but against competent opponents it will not work in games where you aren't snowballing hard enough to take full advantage of it.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

except you have to range to take objectives/turrets ( siege ) and bruisers dont have dps

YoIocaust3 votes

jax xin trynd yasuo + more dont have DPS, K

oSEXYPLATYPUSo2 votes

they dont have ranged dps... they have to walk right to it and attack the objective where as the enemy team with range can keep them at bay while they do this...

YoIocaust1 votes

i dont care about ur overused shit comment, copy pastes bore me to death now by standard players.

TELL ME WHY YOU WOULD TAKE ADC WHEN YOUR TEAMCOMP IS WANK VS AN OVERLOADED TEAMCOMP AKA VIKTOR+MAOKAI+GRAVES ETC while ur shite team has renekton lee janna etc? HOW DO U SIEGE/TEAMFIGHT VS THAT? just take trynd/yasuo/jax and split. UNDERSTAND? or would you like me to go more in depth?

YOU COULD HAVE JAX TOP TRYND BOT. or you could just be an average team reliant ADC relying on a lategame lee+renekton.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

graves is considered a marksmen ...

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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graves is considered a marksmen ...

graves is considered an abomination.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

see youre not a fan of Graves

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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except you have to range to take objectives/turrets ( siege ) and bruisers dont have dps

most bruisers are designed around dps.

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

like who ? Garen

Big Lincoln1 votes

every juggernaut is dps

Gnar Olaf Shyvana XinZhao Hecarim Vi RekSai Volibear Trundle

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

those arent all jugernauts

Big Lincoln1 votes

i didn't say they were

I said "every juggernaut is DPS" and then listed bruisers

oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votes

well technically all champs are dps cuz they can all do damage per sec just the amount and effectiveness of it varies

Disulfiram1 votes

I've actually been wondering the same for some time... I think this problem is even tied with the flat arpen/burst builds.

In order to properly play ADC you need a lot of protection, and in soloq that's something you get rarely. So, ADCs are falling back on burst builds rather than DPS builds, aka "I'll try to unload as much damage as I can in my first 2 autos because I know I won't live to the third".

Tower destruction is not a good argument anymore... mages today (think for example Ziggs, Azir, Teemo) destroy towers from range just fine, and in addition are much safer than ADCs and thus more likely to survive a close fight and be actually able to help with the tower.

One could mention dragons and baron, but unless we're talking about elder dragons or early/risky barons then ADCs aren't really that necessary. Hell, a Nunu support is better than ADCs there!

JackMcSnipeyz1 votes

Most ADC can peel a bit for themselves, and just like your team is uncoordinated, their team isn't aswell, stay back wait for assasin to blow their rotation, go in.

ADC is invaluable for objective control, if your team is all melee, good luck pushing towers late game when their ADC can freely harrass you at ranged.

Maybe ADC role isn't for you? Thats okay you know, just play xin jungle, have the same impact while your team STILL has long range sieging tools.

UtoraBlack1 votes

Dud some ppl enjoy playing adc

YoIocaust1 votes

i enjoy being 0-4-2 as singed and solo killing a 17-3 caitlyn (ive got my personal specialist build for singed). I ENJOY IT EVEN MORE WHEN I TURRET DIVE THEM OVER AND OVER AS XIN WHEN IM ALREADY 6-0. ADC's allow me to get even more fed with absolute ease.

dont even have to think twice about mauling an adc, its just something you do even in 1v3 scenarios.

Mimy1 votes

Olaf adc... one of the most scary shits I had to face...

Damage Carried his team alright...

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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YoIocaust1 votes

BOLLOCKS. do you wanna know what really matters most? stomping the enemy before you give them a chance and to prevent ur shit team from doing dumb shit or dcing.

ChargeItDownMid1 votes

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YoIocaust1 votes

but ADC's dont function properly unless they have a good teamcomp, if one teamcomp is unsynergetic early game shit and the other is great then what? YOU MIGHT ASELL HAVE TAKEN A CHAMP THAT DOESNT RELY ON GOOD TEAMCOMPS.

answer me this, would you like to play adc vs a malphite+rengar+viktor+braum when your team has lee sin renekton nami leblanc?

Randomonium1 votes

The other big reason why ADCs are taken bot lane instead of other classes is that they are much less level dependent than other classes. A mage or fighter or assassin who is 2 levels down compared to the solo laners is far less useful than an ADC who is two levels down. ADCs scaling is almost entirely dependent on items, which allows them to go into a solo lane with a support where they share exp but the ADC gets most/all of the gold.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

It's called "bot" because the other callouts are "top" "mid" and "jg". Consistency OP

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