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Regarding Janna/Zyra

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Janna after S4 Worlds:

V5.4: Tailwind Changed to "Tailwind gives all allies in range a movement speed bonus only while they are moving toward Janna" from "Tailwind gives all allies and janna in range a movement speed bonus". Movmement speed changed to 8% from 5%. Ranged increased to 1250 from 1000 Zephyr increased to 9 / 11 / 13 / 15 / 17% from 4 / 6 / 8 / 10 / 12%.

V5.1: Howling Gale.png Howling Gale Missile width reduced to 120 from 150.

V4.19: Zephyr Cooldown increased to 12 seconds at all ranks from 12 / 11 / 10 / 9 / 8.

This is how you nerf a permapicked champ: shifting power/giving new niches/lowering numers a bit

Zyra after S3 Worlds:

V3.13:

Deadly Bloom Range reduced to 800 from 825. Damage changed to 70 / 105 / 140 / 175 / 210 (+65% AP) from 75 / 115 / 155 / 195 / 235 (+60% AP). Rampant Growth Range increased to 850 from 825. Passive cooldown reduction reduced to 2 / 4 / 6 / 8 / 10% from 4 / 8 / 12 / 16 / 20%. Plant base damage changed to 23 (+6.5 per level) from 26 (+6 per level). Reduced the delay before seeds can be stepped on by enemies to 1.5 seconds from 3. Fixed a bug where spells would rarely not turn seeds into plants. Stranglethorns No longer stuns after the knockup ends. Bug Fix: Plants summoned in the thicket will now correctly receive the buff (currently only applies to plants already active).

This is NOT how you nerf a permapicked champ: nerfing a ton of numbers all around the kit, removing 1/3 of your main CC duration, and giving a super trollish range increase on W (that means absolutely nothing), and +0.05 AP on Q (that means nearly nothing).

16 Comments

manbearswine1 votes

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This is NOT how you nerf a permapicked champ: nerfing a ton of numbers all around the kit, removing 1/3 of your main CC duration, and giving a super trollish range increase on W (that means absolutely nothing), and +0.05 AP on Q (that means nearly nothing).

You don't get it,the intention of the zyra nerfs were not to nerf her into balance,the intention was to completely remove her from competitive and solo q play,the fact she hasn't been buffed yet pretty much proves that.

Have you read the posts cerintalyT made about her after the nerfs? incredibly insulting to the reader's intelligence,the intention was to make her a trash pick,and that intention was achieved,hence there hasn't been any more work put into it afterwards.

Chortle1 votes

Zyra is sleeper OP right now tbh

The nerfs barely phased her. She has had major buffs to her itemization aswell

manbearswine1 votes

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Zyra is sleeper OP right now tbh

The nerfs barely phased her. She has had major buffs to her itemization aswell

Yes,just throw your word against mine,that makes sense,it's not like there are 2 leagues between us.

Chortle1 votes

I have plenty of diamond friends that say she is OP :]

but hey, I'm just a filthy gold casual that plays normals so my opinion , by default, is inferior to yours :^)

manbearswine1 votes

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I have plenty of diamond friends that say she is OP :]

Well I have plenty of diamond friends who say she is trash. And masters,and challengers,and even saw competitive players call her that.

How many of your friends are support mains(if we are talking about support zyra),and how many are mid mains(if we are talking about mid zyra).

Honestly,diamonds should know better,unless they are some nasus mains who just played against her once and decided she is op,I'm honestly curious,would you mind giving their lolking links?

but hey, I'm just a filthy gold casual that plays normals so my opinion , by default, is inferior to yours :^)

It is,everytime I see golds matched against diamonds they seem to end up crying about how bad matchmaking is,I think it would be stupid for us to ignore the fact I'm a way better player than you,and as such have a better understanding of the game.

Oh and btw,I mostly play normals as well,and am I casual player,still diamond though.

Chortle1 votes

nah, you have it in your head that your opinion is the only and best one.

I'm not gonna waste my time

manbearswine1 votes

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nah, you have it in your head that your opinion is the only and best one.

That's because I'm well informed on the subject.

I'm not gonna waste my time

"I was lying and didn't have any diamond friends supporting this nonsense" ...figured as much.

Chortle1 votes

I do have Zyra main Diamond friends that I could give you their OP.gg, but there's really no point.

I have no reason to try to convince you otherwise and would be a fruitless effort anyways

manbearswine1 votes

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I do have Zyra main Diamond friends that I could give you their OP.gg, but there's really no point.

And do these friends even say she is any good? Because a diamond zyra main should definitely know better,now I'm really starting to think that you are just making this all up.

I have no reason to try to convince you otherwise and would be a fruitless effort anyways

Well it would be just their opinion against that of many others(including masters/challengers/competitive players),but even so,you could've just named names faster than making excuses for why you can't come up with them,which further implies that this is just your opinion alone,and you don't have any good players supporting it.

Chortle1 votes

He's a Diamond V Zyra main with 57% winrate between 322 games played this season and looks like he mostly plays her support. I don't feel it is my place to be touting his name all over boards.

You can assume I'm lying though (which i'm not and is totally not my style).

I honestly couldn't care less about "pro" players. So many champs they consider bad one day are god-like the next.

manbearswine1 votes

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He's a Diamond V Zyra main with 57% winrate between 322 games played this season and looks like he mostly plays her support.

The question remains,DOES HE THINK SHE IS GOOD?

I don't feel it is my place to be touting his name all over boards.

Well I get your point,but I still don't think he will care,but fine.

You can assume I'm lying though (which i'm not and is totally not my style).

You said you have diamond friends,which now turned into one guy,and is about the same rank as me,but even so: does he think zyra is good?

I honestly couldn't care less about "pro" players. So many champs they consider bad one day are god-like the next.

So they were wrong about something,nobody is always right,look if you are going to be so oblivious to the opinion of others,that's fine,just don't throw out your own as if it's any better,in fact with this arrogant attitude and disrespect towards skilled players,it's much more likely to be wrong than that of people who actually care what others have to say.

Chortle1 votes

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So they were wrong about something,nobody is always right,look if you are going to be so oblivious to the opinion of others,that's fine,just don't throw out your own as if it's any better,in fact with this arrogant attitude and disrespect towards skilled players,it's much more likely to be wrong than that of people who actually care what others have to say.

This is exactly what you are doing except towards players with lower ranked status than you.

I am not being arrogant at all. I'm stating my opinion on a champion I enjoy and have found to be strong.

I have other diamond friends who believe zyra is strong. The individual I am referring to is the only Zyra main though.

I agree that many people (you and the players you are referring to) think she is not good, but I along with many other people think she is pretty decent right now as well.

She has a 53% winrate in the support role and a 51% winrate in the mid role for plat+ ranked games. I don't see how that is at all bad :/

manbearswine1 votes

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This is exactly what you are doing except towards players with lower ranked status than you.

It isn't,but when they just throw their word against mine it's just a show of arrogance. It's one thing to question and to make arguments,it's another thing to say "lol no you are totally wrong zyra is actually op"

I am not being arrogant at all. I'm stating my opinion on a champion I enjoy and have found to be strong.

You are being completely arrogant,not only are you just throwing your word against mine,you are also just throwing the polar opposite of what I'm saying "sleeper op",on a champion who almost nobody plays as people seen her and were simply not impressed.

I have other diamond friends who believe zyra is strong.

Support mains? mid mains? do they even play zyra? you know you have these weirdos who lose/win once against/with a champion and decide he is strong by that one game alone?

The individual I am referring to is the only Zyra main though.

You are implying that he believes she is strong,but I want a direct answer,did he or did he not tell you he thinks she is a top tier support(that's strong right? or is the second tier strong,anyway either will support your claim(well second tier isn't sleeper op,but it's okay tier),just not third and below),did he or did he not make such a statement?

I agree that many people (you and the players you are referring to) think she is not good, but I along with many other people think she is pretty decent right now as well.

Let's face it,2% popularity,you don't have many people thinking she is decent right now,and I'm not even sure how many people you know that agree with you(I'm talking about people who actually play her on occasion,not those who lost to her once and decided she is broken).

She has a 53% winrate in the support role and a 51% winrate in the mid role for plat+ ranked games. I don't see how that is at all bad :/

Tell that to ashe,she had 52% when she was reworked,and was considered garbage all around.

Her playerbase is highly dedicated(the average zyra support player has more games on her than any other support aside from fiddlesticks),and she is rarely picked(so people aren't too familiar with the matchup),her winrate would plummet if she had a decent playrate(which would also mean a more varied playerbase). there's still more to her winrate than this,but it's a complex subject

Chortle1 votes

I guess you've never encountered someone with a differing opinion.

Later man

manbearswine1 votes

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I guess you've never encountered someone with a differing opinion.

Apparently "you don't just throw your word against people who have a better understanding than you" is too complex of a concept for you,I mean why would doing something of the sort make a person arrogant? right?

Later man

I love how you managed to avoid giving me a direct answer throughout this entire thing,I guess your friend never actually told you she was good.

Dr Poro2 votes

Dude you've played 16 ranked games and still not challenger? You filthy trash!

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