Riot nerfing irelia and akali when they are already sub 45% wr

Anime Fizz··6 votes·1,811 views

Meanwhile karthus at 55% in 3 different positions.

Meanwhile mage itemization still broken as hell.

Meanwhile mages are still the best picks in 4 out of 5 positions statistically wise.

What gives balance team? Oh but yeah we gotta nerf irelia mid when its at almost 42% wr IN DIAMOND + because she can still kill your favorite class sometimes.

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GreenKnight3 votes

Reworks deserve to be trashed, simple as that.

MrHaZeYo3 votes

Lol why do you feel that way? Did they change a champion you used to hold dear?

GreenKnight2 votes

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Lol why do you feel that way? Did they change a champion you used to hold dear?

Most reworks deleted my champions, starting with that stupid Karma rework.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

I often forget that Karma was changed.

Idk I see your point, I haven't touched Swain or Akali since their reworks, but champions like Poppy, Sion, and Aatrox seem way more appealing to me now then they did prior.

Ralik0981 votes

Wait until they hit a champion you care about. Their reworks are shit and make champions worse most of the time.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Well, we'll talk when Ahri, Ziggs, Ori, or Syndra get switched. LB got switched but I didn't hate it, it just didn't feel right and I'm glad they reverted it.

I did play a lot of Swain and Akali, and haven't really touched them since their reworks, but all for all they look like better champions/modernized kits, and look fun, I just haven't taken the time to learn em.

Alzon1 votes

My poor sweet prince

Malzahar item 3042 item 3071 item 3158 item 3035 item 3143 item 3156

[zombie-nunu-tears]

iiGazeii3 votes

They nerfed Irelia, but they've buffed the crap out of her passive on the PBE. She can get up to 40% attack speed at level 1 just from hitting minions with stuff, and the maximum at level 13 is +60% attack speed. The on-hit damage she gets at max stacks is better as well. She's got more armor, more health, and her passive makes it easier to CS, get short trades, and push down towers than ever before. A 90% slow on her ult is basically a death sentence to anybody who walks through the blades, let alone the extra 100 damage they gave it. They're rebalancing Irelia to push her to top lane and focus her in on sustained damage and situational tankiness rather than just being a generalist.

Akali got nerfed today, but I fully expect her to get buffs tomorrow. The devs said explicitly that they wanted to remove the tower-diving power of her shroud and spend that power budget somewhere else in her kit.

Ralik0981 votes

They nerfed Irelia, but they've buffed the crap out of her passive on the PBE. She can get up to 40% attack speed at level 1 just from hitting minions with stuff, and the maximum at level 13 is +60% attack speed. The on-hit damage she gets at max stacks is better as well. She's got more armor, more health, and her passive makes it easier to CS, get short trades, and push down towers than ever before. A 90% slow on her ult is basically a death sentence to anybody who walks through the blades, let alone the extra 100 damage they gave it. They're rebalancing Irelia to push her to top lane and focus her in on sustained damage and situational tankiness rather than just being a generalist.

They also made it so that she only has 3 skills by making her W completely useless.

Akali got nerfed today, but I fully expect her to get buffs tomorrow. The devs said explicitly that they wanted to remove the tower-diving power of her shroud and spend that power budget somewhere else in her kit.

They also asked Akali mains if they would be fine removing her heal in exchange for something else. Akali mains said no, they did it anyways. Fuck Riot.

iiGazeii1 votes

Her W has always been her worst skill. They've made it stronger, but more situational. Instead of just a free small damage resist, it's a large damage resist against physical damage that lets her get another stack of her passive and get value when she otherwise would be stunned. It won't help her against burst mages, but she still gets to soak up damage from most assassins, fighters, and marksman, as well as staying relevant against tanks when they try to CC her.

They don't need to ask Akali mains' permission to make a change. They put the question out there and got a response, but when they tested it themselves, they decided to roll with it. She gets plenty of sustain from Gunblade + Ravenous Hunter.

Ralik0983 votes

???

Her W is getting straight gutted lol.

Defiant Dance (W) Damage reduction increased from 40% to 50% [Changed Effect] damage reduction now specifies Physical damage

The reduction is lower and it is only changing to reduce physical. The only situation I can think of that this skill is even useful anymore is against a zed ult. The skill is complete garbage if this goes through and the only use for it in most games will be to get a passive stack. On top of that the skill is basically a self stun and sitting there channeling it while getting auto-attacked... you'll just be eating free damage for nothing. The skill is so bad that if they are going to make this change they should just remove the skill instead and give her something different.

As for Akali, the heal on her Q is meant to get her through the early lane phase and without it she is unplayable in mid lane. She will get harassed down for free.

iiGazeii1 votes

The reduction is higher. It got increased to 50%. 50% reduction > 40% reduction.

Ralik0982 votes

Not worth the change to blocking phyiscal only. Dumpster tier skill now.

Going from 4 passive stacks to 5 guts her passive as well.

Akali and Irelia are getting Eve'd/Olaf'd.

iiGazeii1 votes

Her passive is stronger than before. Even though it maxes out at five stacks, the actual attack speed she's getting at four stacks is greater than the attack speed she'd be getting at four stacks now, and she can stack it up an additional time to get an even bigger on-hit damage spike.

They're moving Irelia away from sitting around and waiting for the backline minions to get low while she stacks up Conqueror before diving in, Q'ing all the minions and engaging with all of her damage ready. They want her to be a sustained damage fighter.

Blocking only physical just makes it more situational, not garbage. It still blocks important things. Lucian ult, Urgot stomping his way through the team, assassin combos, etc. The CC "immunity" is nice as well. She's more vulnerable to magic damage than to physical. There's nothing wrong with that.

kingDeDeDarius1 votes

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They nerfed Irelia, but they've buffed the crap out of her passive on the PBE. She can get up to 40% attack speed at level 1 just from hitting minions with stuff, and the maximum at level 13 is +60% attack speed. The on-hit damage she gets at max stacks is better as well. She's got more armor, more health, and her passive makes it easier to CS, get short trades, and push down towers than ever before. A 90% slow on her ult is basically a death sentence to anybody who walks through the blades, let alone the extra 100 damage they gave it. They're rebalancing Irelia to push her to top lane and focus her in on sustained damage and situational tankiness rather than just being a generalist.

Akali got nerfed today, but I fully expect her to get buffs tomorrow. The devs said explicitly that they wanted to remove the tower-diving power of her shroud and spend that power budget somewhere else in her kit.

Irelia will now be oppressive against ad champs and fair against mages

5050BS1 votes

With Conqueror AND her stacks she Destroys at lvl 2

Akali is SO HOT2 votes

unlucky

Anime Fizz1 votes

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unlucky

The mage bias the balance team (and boards) have is disgusting isnt it?

DU Baymax2 votes

tbf, all i have seen from the boards for the past 6 months has been clamoring for irelia and akali nerfs (despite their unimpressive win rates)

shrug can't make everyone happy

Profirix2 votes

TahmKench Welcome to the club.

Ralik0982 votes

Either the balance team is incompetent or they already got that $$$ from Irelia and Akali and are trying to push people on to another champion.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

I don't see how they are nerfing irelia. They are shifting her strengths to be less about burst and more about sustained damage. If those changes result in a net power loss the i'm sure Riot is just going to buff her a bit. Akali on the other hand... might as well just disable her at this point. They are just beating down a dead horse at this point

5050BS1 votes

Its because like Yasuo, if you know how to play them you can "Out play" anyone and 1v9

They are Too strong in the hands of a skilled player and too weak in the hands of a unskilled player.

Riot really needs to put a cap on champ mechanics (and a min cap).

Both Irelia and Yasuo can be a bitch to target with click abilities when they are dashing every .2s. Kat has this too with her stupid resets.

IMO Resets like Kat and Irelia should not be allowed in the game. Button Presses/Per minute means the one with the most wins ALWAYS unless Riot lowers the damage on the ability. We see this with Sylas. He has high BPPM but his damage per press is low.

Kat, Irelia, Yasuo, Riven all have high BPPM but also high damage. This is why they are unhealthy to the game.

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