Sometimes, just sometimes I'm like "why does this champion can even do this"

Beatrice falls··1 votes·1,020 views

Looking at a few champions, I really wonder what pushed Riot to add these features to certain champions kit, they absolutely make no sense lore-wise, and are most of the time unecessary, just here because "this champ lacks something so let's add this" when in fact, this champion doesn't lack anything

Yasuo shield (known enough), either get a shield or a windwall, not both

Kayn E, the spell itself, and the healing added to it, I simply don't understand why does it have to heal him, his Darkin form allows him to get heals by using skills, and his SA form is an assassin, no assassin has a healing (except Akali )

Zoe spell thief mechanic, same as the other ones, that thing has no right to be there. It simply doesn't make sense, Zoe can work perfectly without it

Darius bonus AD after getting 5 stacks. The bleeding is strong enough, the ult is strong enough, he doesn't need a crazy stat increase for staying in combat for this long, he already has as I said : the bleeding, but also the healing, the true damage from ult that increases with each stack and the reset mechanic (and the free armor pene)

Kaisa shield on R, why just why ? She's a marksman, shields are supposed to come from supports, she's not an assassin nor a duellist

Graves smoke screen, most bs game in the entire game at the moment (in my opinion), I just wonder also why it's here, it's AoE and can block an entire team, once again, Graves doesn't need it at all, he's not Quinn which in fact needs it, and is a skillshot

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Doge20203 votes

Yas and kayn need the respective shield and heal because they are melee champs that usually go a glasscannon build (glasscannon for blue kayn, raast is more like a juggernaut/antitank so having the heal helps him build more aggressive and be more anti tank).

Getting 5 stacks on one person is super hard when everybody is crowded together, Darius is an immobile juggernaut so the 5 stack passive with AD enforces the idea that you basically deserve to die if you get caught by somebody with no dashes and can be kited very easily. If he didn’t have the AD then he wouldn’t be able to kill anybody.

Kaisa is a short ranged markman, if she didn’t have that shield she would blow up instantly when she uses r to engage. Same with Vayne too, she needs that invis with her q during r because she has such short range that she would blow up instantly in a fight without it.

Have you played these champs at all? If you play them you will find that these abilities help a lot and they could easily be some of the worst champs ever without them

Beatrice falls1 votes

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Yas and kayn need the respective shield and heal because they are melee champs that usually go a glasscannon build (glasscannon for blue kayn, raast is more like a juggernaut/antitank so having the heal helps him build more aggressive and be more anti tank).

Getting 5 stacks on one person is super hard when everybody is crowded together, Darius is an immobile juggernaut so the 5 stack passive with AD enforces the idea that you basically deserve to die if you get caught by somebody with no dashes and can be kited very easily. If he didn’t have the AD then he wouldn’t be able to kill anybody.

Kaisa is a short ranged markman, if she didn’t have that shield she would blow up instantly when she uses r to engage. Same with Vayne too, she needs that invis with her q during r because she has such short range that she would blow up instantly in a fight without it.

Have you played these champs at all? If you play them you will find that these abilities help a lot and they could easily be some of the worst champs ever without them

Kaisa also has a stealth, spammable actually, this is why I put her here, Vayne doesn't have a shield yet is viable, so why does Kai'sa have one (and huge actually)

I spammed Zoe for a while and I can tell, she could perfectly work without the spell thief

Darius I'm not really familar with him, but I really feel like this additionnal AD is just here "because more damage"

Kayn as I said doesn't need this heal at all. I do believe it's just a random thing Riot added because he was a jungler, and to make it easier they just added a healing here and there, while others don't (the reason Fiddlesticks isn't an excellent jungler anymore is because of these champions actually)

And Yasuo, no, I still believe that no champions should be forgiven hardly for their mistakes, look at Riven yes she's mobile, so is Yasuo, yes, she has a shield, so does Yasuo, yes she's quite bursty, so is Yasuo. But why does Yasuo has such an ability that can bring this impact in the game ? Especially that it lasts for 3 seconds (or 4 ?)

Doge20201 votes

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Kaisa also has a stealth, spammable actually, this is why I put her here, Vayne doesn't have a shield yet is viable, so why does Kai'sa have one (and huge actually)

I spammed Zoe for a while and I can tell, she could perfectly work without the spell thief

Darius I'm not really familar with him, but I really feel like this additionnal AD is just here "because more damage"

Kayn as I said doesn't need this heal at all. I do believe it's just a random thing Riot added because he was a jungler, and to make it easier they just added a healing here and there, while others don't (the reason Fiddlesticks isn't an excellent jungler anymore is because of these champions actually)

And Yasuo, no, I still believe that no champions should be forgiven hardly for their mistakes, look at Riven yes she's mobile, so is Yasuo, yes, she has a shield, so does Yasuo, yes she's quite bursty, so is Yasuo. But why does Yasuo has such an ability that can bring this impact in the game ? Especially that it lasts for 3 seconds (or 4 ?)

I will only comment further on darius because that is the only champ that I know well from this list. The AD is useful late game because usually people have a bunch of armor and Darius doesn’t normally build any lethality, armor reduction or any items that bypass armor besides BC. Any BC is only effective when the person has a ton of armor, so BC is only effective against huge armor tanks like Malphite, while I agree that the extra AD looks like it is too much damage, I can tell you straight up that in game it doesn’t feel that impactful.

And also because Darius is a full melee immobile juggernaut, he has to build mainly tank items all the time. A normal build for him would be BC/tri then into a tank item like Deadman’s or spirit then into full tank. A normal Darius build only has one damage item and almost all of his other items with tank items. If he goes full AD he will blow up instantly. So the extra AD helps compensate for the lost AD from going a near full tank build. (Btw most darius players build a bunch of tank items because darius doesn’t have any tank stats or dashes built into the abilities of his kit, so he has to get armor health and MR from his items)

If you have a tough time against him, have your team choose a champ or two that can CC chain him, having a taunt in there also helps because then his stacks are spread out and he will loose momentum while building his stacks up. Quinn does very good into him because you can e him as soon as he uses e on you, and your blind helps to stop him from using w and aiming q/e on you.

Saezio1 votes

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Yas and kayn need the respective shield and heal because they are melee champs that usually go a glasscannon build (glasscannon for blue kayn, raast is more like a juggernaut/antitank so having the heal helps him build more aggressive and be more anti tank).

Getting 5 stacks on one person is super hard when everybody is crowded together, Darius is an immobile juggernaut so the 5 stack passive with AD enforces the idea that you basically deserve to die if you get caught by somebody with no dashes and can be kited very easily. If he didn’t have the AD then he wouldn’t be able to kill anybody.

Kaisa is a short ranged markman, if she didn’t have that shield she would blow up instantly when she uses r to engage. Same with Vayne too, she needs that invis with her q during r because she has such short range that she would blow up instantly in a fight without it.

Have you played these champs at all? If you play them you will find that these abilities help a lot and they could easily be some of the worst champs ever without them

Kaisa having a 2.0 ATTACK DAMAGE (not bonus mind you) ratio on her R is bs and we all know it. she used to be short ranged now she is medium(?) ranged because riot decided she HAD to be meta

DuskDaUmbreon3 votes

Kayn's E heals him because he otherwise has no sustain as a jungler, which is slightly problematic.

Almost jungler has a heal or shield or something, or is just innately tanky. No idea why they put it on his E, but it's logical for him to have one in the context of being a jungler.

Also, almost all jungler assassins have a heal, and a few non-jungler ones do as well. Ahri has Q passive, Ekko has ult, Evelynn has passive, Khazix has W, Rengar has empowered W...

Kai'sa has the shield on her R due to her R putting her right where marksmen usually do not want to be: Right next to the opponent. The purpose of the shield is to let her survive pressing R without being absurdly fed.

Beatrice falls1 votes

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Kayn's E heals him because he otherwise has no sustain as a jungler, which is slightly problematic.

Almost jungler has a heal or shield or something, or is just innately tanky. No idea why they put it on his E, but it's logical for him to have one in the context of being a jungler.

Also, almost all jungler assassins have a heal, and a few non-jungler ones do as well. Ahri has Q passive, Ekko has ult, Evelynn has passive, Khazix has W, Rengar has empowered W...

Kai'sa has the shield on her R due to her R putting her right where marksmen usually do not want to be: Right next to the opponent. The purpose of the shield is to let her survive pressing R without being absurdly fed.

The thing is Kayn IS a jungler and has tools to already sustain in the jungle (item 1041 item 1039 item 3706 offer quite enough sustain) and his Q deals more damage to monsters, I just don't understand why he can just press E and heal for 1/4 of his HP, as you mentionned, aside of Khazix, others are situationnal

And for Kai'sa, why would she event want to go where no marksmen want to go ?

Moody P3 votes

darius is also one of the least mobile champions in the game with short range and dog shit attack speed. he's horrible against anyone who can burst him, poke him, kite him, and disengage him, so he kind of needs to be appropriately strong if you can't do any of these things.

SugeMinPikk1 votes

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Looking at a few champions, I really wonder what pushed Riot to add these features to certain champions kit, they absolutely make no sense lore-wise, and are most of the time unecessary, just here because "this champ lacks something so let's add this" when in fact, this champion doesn't lack anything

Yasuo shield (known enough), either get a shield or a windwall, not both

He needs both

Kayn no assassin has a healing

And Kha And Rengar And Ahri And Akali And Ekko And Eve

I stopped reading after these 2 lmao

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