You know... those masquerading bastards who are essentially full AP mages + 
that just ruin your game?
is just disgusting IMO. The whole, nuke the bottom and let the adc last hit is just so... out of place in the early game.
archerno126 votesDoes your team count too? 
supports ruined more games in my team than any other mage in enemy team
SirLapse2 votesI hate having to think to myself that I need to carry much harder because my support picked Lux. I'm not hating on Lux players, it's just that literally ANY OTHER MAGE SUPPORT does what Lux wants to do except BETTER. Useless ultimate damage and frequent whiffs of it regardless, in exchange for what is usually crappy zoning through incorrect E usage. Her shield nerfs were huge to how supporty she was too. Can people please realize this?
Marshbouy6 votes
start
"i'll carry"
Auroraen8 votesAy just a quick message for you "support" players
Have you tried 
It gives a decent 200 AP, and you can also provide slows, massive shields, AS and on-hit drain, AP and crit, and vision for your team (very cheaply too).
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Sexy Jack Rabbit3 votesRylai's is borderline worthless on Lux. (And in general).
You'd be better off purchasing or .
Handy Sandy 12 votes or 
since they're both more of a threat than the actual adc themselves.
OyddAWqJ5r4 votesSupports are always the bigger threat in bot lane, just not always the damage threat.
Big Lincoln12 votes
MagicFlyingLlama11 votesPeople who bought Elementalist Lux and go bot with a doran's ring.
HERESY.
Mira Arya Enthe2 votesDorans? You mean right?
UnboundHades10 votes
Funkin Dunkin2 votesZyra at least allows decent counter play. Her vines move slower than Brand's W and unlike his ult, her's also takes time to trigger allowing for a flash or dash out. Brand almost allows no counter play whatsoever and unless you nuke him, he is gonna nuke you.
Kaeblen7 votesShe's not much of a "mage", but I would kill Soraka
.
It's not because I dislike her. its because removing her would let riot just TRY AGAIN.
HalcyonDweller6 votesBrand goes bottom lane simply because his ultimate requires two champions to bounce between for maximum effectiveness. That and his DoT from his passive giving him extra poke damage while also triggering the spellthief's item gold passive.
If these are problems then Riot ought to balance them. There are ways to change this that would not impact his power in other lanes.
If that were balanced in a way to prevent abuse then it shouldn't be a problem. And it is balanced. I've seen brands get shat on and justly so by bottom lanes that out-played them or counter-picked him.
Rather than complain about something that you have trouble playing against, wouldn't it be more productive to learn how to beat it so that you can punish people for playing it against you?
undesirable team10 votesBrand goes bottom lane simply because his ultimate requires two champions to bounce between for maximum effectiveness. That and his DoT from his passive giving him extra poke damage while also triggering the spellthief's item gold passive.
If these are problems then Riot ought to balance them. There are ways to change this that would not impact his power in other lanes.
If that were balanced in a way to prevent abuse then it shouldn't be a problem. And it is balanced. I've seen brands get shat on and justly so by bottom lanes that out-played them or counter-picked him.
Rather than complain about something that you have trouble playing against, wouldn't it be more productive to learn how to beat it so that you can punish people for playing it against you?
or he just does too much damage and cc's
HalcyonDweller7 votesTo which part of my comment are you referring? I hope not all of it, because this would be a very poor job of addressing my points.
As for the damage, I addressed that. I believe he gets extra damage due to his passive and the items available to supports. This could be nerfed (via passive interaction with spellthief's) if it is in fact too powerful. Also, you should be able to tell when he's trying to get that damage off. It's easy to avoid the 3rd stack of passive because it takes 3 abilities to set it off.
As for cc, he has one single target skillshot stun. If you can't juke that then you're either too close or your reaction speed needs work. It's your job to respect zones of control and position safely in lane. It's not the champion's fault for being effective against you when you don't do that properly.
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Danjeng2 votesAs an old Brand mid main, I would argue that Brand is fairly strong, and does some of the best damage in the game. His passive and ult make for good zoning too.
Troll for Trump1 votesBrand needs something to shift him back mid and not support.
I used to main Brand mid in s5, and play support (before it became popularized, pre-mage rework).
It's hard to make something so focused on AoE more relevant as a solo laner
Cosmic Warper1 votesBrand needs something to shift him back mid and not support.
I used to main Brand mid in s5, and play support (before it became popularized, pre-mage rework).
It's hard to make something so focused on AoE more relevant as a solo laner
His E should do extra damage to minions. His waveclear is mediocre for having two expensive AoE spells ( in mid he leaves the minions with 10-15 hp with a W->E).
Troll for Trump1 votesHe can at least kill casters still with WE right?
Cosmic Warper1 votesHe can at least kill casters still with WE right?
it leaves them very low after the passive burn
Troll for Trump1 votesUgh..
Cosmic Warper1 votesUgh..
Yeah it's very frustrating to see them survive with 3-5 hp and then have your minions kill them because you can't damage all 3 at the same time after your combo :<
Danjeng1 votesTry Q E W. It gives W the bonus damage enough to clear a wave.
Cosmic Warper1 votesTry Q E W. It gives W the bonus damage enough to clear a wave.
Then you're using your whole damage combo to clear a wave which leaves you very vulnerable. :/ At that point you're just an auto attacker because brand's cooldowns are decently high early.
Danjeng1 votesThat's true, but couldn't the same thing be said for just E W? Q doesn't do much on its own. But I don't know anything. I'm basing this off my outdated playstyle. Q E W was used in the champion spotlight, which is pretty old. I still use it anyway, since the enemy can't engage if the wave is pushed.
Poske3 votesBrand mid is currently garbage tier
Outclassed by syndra in every aspect Outclassed by veigar in most aspects Outclassed by viktor Outclassed by velkoz and taliyah zyra karma in a support role
Only time Brand was at a good spot was at Brand release Keystone introduction where he was good because of frostfang deathfire touch mid build
Sadly Only twice in league history brand was a viable mid and he was ocasionaly decent support
GULAG 4 U4 votesFuck lux supports that build dorans ring. I tilt so fucking hard that I just wanna flame the fucking Christ out of anyone who builds Dorans ring on ap supports. The only thing that makes me lose my shit more than that is playing against 6 Lucians in a row.
IcyPepper4 votesWait, wouldn't it be mage "support?"
A "mage" support would be, like, Sona.
General Theritt4 votes
... Why the hell is this woman considered a support? Because one the one shield? Because I swear to god that Q hits like a truck and says "Oh hey btw can you stop moving, like... forever? I don't like you moving, so just sit there so my ADC can get fed." And then lets just not talk about blackshield. or the AoE zone that clears more waves than most ADCs, or kill support tanks faster than Vayne, in early game. And that ult. The most random ult in the game. The ability of "Hey can ALL OF YOU STOP MOVING?" where she suicide bombs the opponent team, blasting their ass with AoE damage before she presses the "I have this hourglass" ability so you can watch her sit there as none of you can hope to budge while their ADC assblasts you. This is a midlane mage. Go back you filthy angel. GO BACK DEMON!
DuskDaUmbreon2 votesShe has a shield, a snare, a slow, and a stun. That's actually as much CC as most actual supports.
Anidan3 votesPlus that shield grants CC immunity as long as it persists. Combined with the stuff you mentioned, that sounds plenty in line with support qualities. She just also happens to not hit like an anemic 4 year old.
Blåbæret3 votes
It's disgusting how this champ can spam spells without ever losing mana. He also clicks R for free lane. Complete cancer to face.
GinkoG4 votesNaaa He's fiiiiiiine. And I'm not just saying that because I've been playing nothing but vel support for a while now....
Cosmic Warper1 votes
R for a free lane. Nice try lmao. You can easily walk out of his ult if he doesn't E or Q you first, and if he lands E then you deserve to take the ult because his E is also easy to dodge.
GinkoG1 votesUnless you're hit with a q and then it's much more difficult to walk out of.
Cosmic Warper2 votesUnless you're hit with a q and then it's much more difficult to walk out of.
yes but if you have a shield or heal support you can just heal/shield your adc while they're walking out of the ult. vel ult alone with one landed ability can't 100-0 an adc at level 6
GinkoG1 votesWell yeah, but if someone just q's then ults I don't expect them to kill anything at all, unless it's late game.
Cosmic Warper2 votesWell yeah, but if someone just q's then ults I don't expect them to kill anything at all, unless it's late game.
I know, i'm just refuting the guy's claim that you "press R for free lane" on vel koz, when it's so far from the truth
GinkoG1 votesAgreed
Oelyk3 votes
Because having this little shit hitting one stun and doing 50-80% on your health for their adc to finish off is such cancer.
warpenguin5551 votesI hate Veigar in every role. Fuck Veigar
FridgesArePpl21 votesI play Zyra alot, and she's by far the strongest mage support, so I'd prefer they don't kill any. I don't see any reason why supports shouldn't be mages.
Veltox3 votesBecause they could get their main role nerfed for being to good at support.
mains know it damn well.
warpenguin5551 votesAtleast he's getting a partial revert...
Not like that makes up for the last few months where I couldn't play my best champion in ranked without becoming a liability for my team, but it's not like they'll do that again to another champion I like anytime soon. Hahahahah ha ha ha...
They're going to ruin Nocturne aren't they?
