Daily reminder that we still want solo queue

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Hey thanks for answering. Just to make a few counterpoints to discuss:

I think in any sport or game teaming up with past allies will result in a better performance than teaming up with a random. It makes sense because the premades will play better than If they were playing solo . If I play at a higher skill level my premades, don't I deserve to climb ranks? Since I'm playing better ?

A silver solo could become a gold in a premade. Does the player deserve a gold rating or silver?

Curious to hear your thoughts thanks for replying :)

The ranking is invalid because they are playing by a different format. Solo Queue, Ranked Teams, and Dynamic Queue are different formats that play out very differently. In most other games, they divide the rankings of each of the different queues, like how they divided Solo Queue and Ranked Team ratings. Take Magic the Gathering for example. A top player in Modern is different from a top player in Vintage and both are different from Legacy because the deck compositions are very different. The same applies to normal ranked games between ranked players and LCS games between ranked teams.

You can earn your gold rating, but it should not count as a Solo Queue rating. It should count as a #-premade elo rating and you should not be being matched against anyone other than a premade group of the exact same size. 3+2v3+1+1? Invalid because the two teams are playing in different formats. 4+1v4+1? Valid because they are in the same format.

My rank should show how well I work with others to acheive victory. I'm a support main, and my entire job is based around helping the rest of the team to acheive victory. Why shouldn't my rank reflect working with others in a group to gain an advantage, by amplifying each of our own strengths and covering for each others' weaknesses?

Hey thanks for the awesome response.

So when I solo, i'll be playing WORSE in any role, since I wouldn't have any synergy with my teammates. I would have to be in pure Solo Q mentality : Hard carry by myself and trust no one else.

I was originally having a hard time thinking of a response to this point, when I realized this might be the main point all the solo queue vs dynamic queue threads is trying to debate. And that is dynamic queue really has changed the meaning of ranked. As a mostly solo player, I look at each game as me going in with a bunch of random players. All I can do is focus on me and try and help my team the best I can. I have to adjust to my teammates around me as I don't know them and their play style and they don't know me. I have grown accustomed to this thinking since I have played solo queue since season 2. But now dynamic queue has changed the mentality and really the meaning of rank overall. You say you will be playing worse if you are playing solo rather than playing with teammates since you don't know your team and can't coordinate. But I would argue you are wrong. Assuming no one on your team or the other team knows each other, then the idea of "have any synergy with my teammates" changes. It now becomes important to be able to adapt quickly to the players around you. The better you get at doing this generally the better you will be at a game. And then your ability to be able to play with randoms in a certain role is your actual skill/rank in that role since no one else has that synergy advantage over each other. But in the current system it is advantageous to have synergy with your teammates. If you queue up as 3 people then you have to assume you are most likely at least playing another 3 man premade. Assuming its true, then both teams have players who should have better synergy together than with their random teammates. So if you are in the premade it is now your duty/skill/rank to have the ability to play with your premade and control the game vs (in what is supposed to happen) another similar premade team. But in that game right there you have a broken situation. You have two players playing solo who don't know you or the rest of the team. They are trying to play and adjust to your play style while you and your friends know each other play style and are trying to carry a game. At the same time the solo players are trying to face the enemy solos and their premades. So now the solo players need to worry about coordinating with plays you 3 want to make, but also having to be more cautious about the enemy premade and tower 3 man tower dives they may not be accustomed to worrying about. So it really makes the mentality of each ranked game change and therefore the meaning of ranked since you have both solo players and premade groups playing together on the same ladder.

A player was nice enough to link me some jungle videos as I am trying to get better at jungling. In one of the videos the player/coach says basically in x situation it is a better idea to take dragon if you are playing solo. But if you were playing with a team it would probably make sense to take turrets instead and wait to take dragon. Although he was talking about solo queue vs an actual LCS 5v5 style it still shows you that how one acts or anticipates a situation can depend if they are with or against a team or a bunch of solos.

I think you can show your rank in any situation. Whether you Solo, Duo , or 5 man you're playing Ranked. You will try your hardest to win. Do you think that Different Group sizes should have varying degrees of LP gained? Or seperate ranked ladders?

I personally think separate ladders makes the most sense, although I know this won't happen and can understand why Riot has not done it. Dynamic queue needs solo players and creating two queues would make queue times go up a lot. In reality..... ranks would not be much different for most people but in a perfect world two queues would make the most sense I feel. I mean 5v5 ranked makes a lot of sense and I am happy they brought back a separate ladder for that. You always know you will be verse another 5v5 team and the way 5 people who are organized play together would be different than people playing solo or even in smaller premade groups. I don't really know about lp gains and group sizes. I personally think if you are going to allow people to group and play ranked, then your lp gains should not be affected.

I agree, I used to love playing solo too. I dont always use comms. We know how each other will play and I can trust my bot lane not to feed double kills and I have great synergy with my laners. When I come to gank , they'll come help and not keep last hitting obliviously.

I used to play SOLO Q for many seasons. However Now that DQ is out I enjoy that a lot more. SOLO Q was frustrating. Random people, Random roles. DQ is way better imo

I did enjoy duoing with friends in the old system and It hasn't changed in the new system. One thing to keep in mind is although new champ select was shipped out with dynamic queue, it is still separate from the idea of being able to have groups of any size in ranked. Riot could have easily implemented new champ select in old solo queue or restrict party size to a duo (like the old days) and any of the benefits seen from new champ select would have been seen in this same situation. I personally have not met anyone who does not like the new champ select and I think it was a great decision by Riot.

I personally have 3 ranked accounts so I have a somewhat unique situation. Since I am low elo dynamic queue has not really affected me and I have been able to solo two accounts to my actual elo (gold 4-5), which gold has always been my goal so I am happy about it. My other account I use strictly for playing ranked grouped with friends. That account is actually lower ranked than my other two, even thought it has more games played. But I do play with lower elo friends so that does have some effect. I have added some random smurfs I met while playing on that account and played with those players. We almost never lose a game and I could have easily continued to rank up higher if I wanted to but stopped playing with those players. Although a majority of players wont do this, dynamic queue does make it easier to play with or rank up with multiple smurfs much quicker and to a higher rank than they could achieve solo. This could be done on the old system too, its just easier now. I think the biggest problem I said earlier is with high elo. LCS and other high rank players have said they are not fans of the new queue or don't take it as seriously and now even have their own tournament realm to play on since its more competitive. So the fact that top ranks in this game now mean less than they used to basically trickles down to lower ranks mean less than they used to as well. Which is really unfortunate in what is supposed to be a very competitive game.

I don't get what you're trying to prove with the above photo? You're a plat 5, probably with a lower MMR than your division getting matched with mid-high level gold players. When I was silver 1 I was regularly getting put in games with G3 players so that the photo just appears to be a normal game.

Now if you are trying to call out the other 4 people on your team for being a premade then I have some questions. Obviously you were mid against ziggs, ziggs appears to have been the one to carry the enemy team along with rengar. How was ziggs able to get so many kills 20 minutes in? My guess is you allowed him to roam freely and pick off kills with his ult, you also probably didn't mirror his roam and try to counter engage. You also only placed 5 wards the entire game and zero pinks. As a plat player I think you should know how important vision control is, ziggs on the otherhand placed 2 pinks, probably in the river to watch for heca ganks. You killed zero wards so the times heca came to gank he probably got caught out because you weren't checking for wards and removing them as needed and if ziggs did spend so much time roaming to get all those kills how come you weren't able to take the tower? Much less your CS was horrible for a cass since you can easily farm under tower.

My thoughts about what happened are you didn't like the Urgot pick, probably got tilted because of that and then your team probably gave up first blood resulting in you saying "fuk it" and sitting in your lane the entire time.

People like you are really quick to call everyone else out on something and ignore the clear and obvious mistakes that you made on your part.

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Riot is obviously not paying attention to these posts, so you delude yourself into thinking spamming even matters. I'm not with you, i am a solo player and i don't mind DQ at all.

I accept premades because i enjoy a challenge. And even playing in a solo environment is a challenge in itself because even one player can ruin a game for you and it's up to the rest of his team to pick up his slack.

well people bitching about slavery werent being listened to so just shut up and accept it