It's fine for rengar to kill me in 0.03 seconds

Tentakill Myself·Dec 30, 2015·41 votes·3,860 views

But at least give me time to react to it. You currently have about a tenth of a second to react to his jump from his ult if he flash jumps you.

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Chrome RavenDec 30, 201526 votes

"just pink ward the entire map and you got htis"

3ofGot40veDec 30, 20158 votes

Current State = Can 1 Shot any squishy in .1 seconds and get out with crazy movespeed

After nerf = Will be unable to effectively 1 shot

Seems like a binary champ to me, which would best end in a rework.

ChaosThiefDec 31, 20153 votes

Funny thing is, current rengar is a rework. He used to be able to use Q on towers, triple Q was pretty much required, and his ult gave no indicator. He didn't have any movement speed buff after the ult though.

And let's not forget the point and click bola (it had like 550 range)

MohawkBirdJan 1, 20161 votes

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3ofGot40veJan 1, 20161 votes

That's just not true.

First off, as we all know, one of the core items on Rengar is item 3142 . I don't need to explain to you what its active does.

Secondly, there is the possibility that rengar purchased item 3071 . Most of them have this item by mid/late game if they know what they are doing. The black cleaver is built partially from item 3044 . Phage's passive is stated as the following: **Basic attacks grant 20 Flat movement speed for 2 seconds. Killing a target with a basic attack grants 60 flat movement speed. ** Because Rengar's 'Q' is considered an auto attack buff and not a spell, the phage passive still applies.

Lastly, if a Rengar purchases item 1325 or any pair of boots with the furor enchantment, he will be granted movement speed from it. Furor's passive is as follows: Upon dealing damage with a single target spell or attack (on hit), grants +12% Movement Speed that decays over 2 seconds.

I have done some math, and according to my calculations Heimerdinger , Killing someone with your auto attack or 'Q' and also utilizing your passives and actives from the above items gives you a whopping total of 605 movement speed. (Granted they purchased Mercury Treads: Furor, Phage, and Youmoo's ghostblade.) My calculations for this result are listed below

Rengar's base movement speed (345) + Merc Treads (45) = 390

390 movement speed + Phage passive (60) = 450

450 movement speed x Youmoo's ghostblade active (20% movement speed or 1.2) = 540

540 movement speed x Furor enchantment passive (12% movement speed or 1.12) = 604.8 or 605 total movement speed.

That's pretty fast in terms of escaping. So you can get a sence of how fast that is, imagine homeguards. (Now a built in passive once you hit the 20 minute mark.) Just from homeguards and Merc Treads, rengar can reach up to 780 movement speed, and that's before it even starts to decay after leaving fountain. In comparison, Rengar's original 600 movement speed from my previous calculations is **more then 3/4 then that of homeguads. **

What do you mean get out with crazy movespeed? That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

But is it though?

EDIT: I worked very hard to put this together so I don't expect you to just blow me off with some stupid reply that isn't supported by any facts. If you are going to make a rebuttal atleast make it good and have some sort of counter argument with reasoning.

Shac NorrisDec 30, 20157 votes

''Use your red trinket it spots invisible enemies''

DreadlocksDec 30, 20152 votes

You fucking main Rengar, how stoned are you today?

Shac NorrisDec 30, 201511 votes

You wot?

DreadlocksDec 30, 20151 votes

Look up the OP's profile, and you will see he mains rengar lol.. yet hes crying about it i dont get it. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/52404590

Shac NorrisDec 30, 201518 votes

Does it really matter?

Rengar killing squishies under 0.10s isn't a rare thing, he's probably tired of Rengar being this broken

DreadlocksDec 30, 20152 votes

Id have more respect for the complaint, however rengar isnt the only champion that does this, therefore its a weak argument to focus just rengar.

MelledoneusDec 30, 201512 votes

At least you can see Talon and Leblanc walk up to you.

DreadlocksDec 30, 20151 votes

oh really? Talon item 3117 item 3142 +ult, Leblanc W-R

MelledoneusDec 30, 201512 votes

You can still see them. And if Talon stealths to engage, he's a sitting duck once your carry is dead, assuming they're in the middle of your team.

DreadlocksDec 30, 20154 votes

And what rengar has a blink to get out?

MelledoneusDec 30, 20152 votes

He doesn't need one. He makes people disappear and gets a nice little speed boost to high-tail it out until the enemy team finishes panicking that their carry turned into thin air.

48983507DEL1Dec 31, 20151 votes

...So does Talon, except all of Talon's spells damage multiple targets except his E.

Q and Auto's with item 3074

MelledoneusDec 31, 20151 votes

Talon has to virtually walk within 500 units to jump to you. Rengar has a leap range.

junglerboy16Dec 30, 20154 votes

That's why any Talon worth his salt runs Stormrider's surge. He doesn't need thunderlord's for damage since he's already super bursty, and the MS proc gives him all the safety he needs to get out once he goes in.

magic poleDec 30, 20151 votes

i thought salt was a bad thing

junglerboy16Dec 30, 20151 votes

It's a figure of speech, I don't mean salt in the gaming sense.

fukimissHarambeDec 30, 20151 votes

With leblanc it's about the easiest thing to just flash one of her W's, the only way you don't get the flash is if she jumps across a wall and you don't see her but in that case it's your fault for not having vision.

LittleBlastDec 30, 20152 votes

Then she'll just do it again 30 seconds later at most

Shac NorrisDec 30, 20151 votes

U can see Talon's blades with a normal ward as long as it's warded.

And Talon doesn't kill you in 0.10 seconds, you actually have like 1 second to react before you die as a squishy.

As for Leblanc, she can't really turn invisible when she wants so meh

ChaddyFantomeDec 31, 20152 votes

If Talon is 100-0ing you without His ulti for Damage, you fed him. In a normal situation, Talon at best uses one half of his ult to kill you, again, at best. In a typical scenario, he'll need both halves, in which case, he isn't killing you if he is using ulti to get to you. He also doesn't have much time to get to you with his ult and you can see him use it from FoW.

Initiating with ulti is actually one of the most suboptimal ways to engage as Talon.

SociopathFriendDec 31, 20152 votes

I noticed that when I first played Talon. 5 of my friends and I went to Twisted Treeline to have some fun. One of my team members realized he had class and left us alone to 2v3. When I was ulting to go in I couldn't kill them as fast, I learned real quick that I needed to go in and then ult for the damages.

Shroom JunkieDec 30, 20151 votes

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Look up the OP's profile, and you will see he mains rengar lol.. yet hes crying about it i dont get it. http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/52404590

Those websites don't have valid info. Check his official match history on the website, it only shows ranked but you can see he doesn't main Rengar.

DreadlocksDec 30, 20153 votes

I typed his summoner name into the League Client, and sure enough he mains rengar. 201.3k mastery points. Jeez even when the information is right in front of people, they still think its a lie.

Shroom JunkieDec 30, 20151 votes

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I typed his summoner name into the League Client, and sure enough he mains rengar. 201.3k mastery points. Jeez even when the information is right in front of people, they still think its a lie.

Huh... guess he doesn't play his main in ranked. ... I guess to be fair I used to not when I played Rumble, lol.

DreadlocksDec 30, 20151 votes

It's his most played in ranked too, again, ppl don't believe the truth even if it's rite in their face... sad community.

Shroom JunkieDec 30, 20151 votes

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It's his most played in ranked too, again, ppl don't believe the truth even if it's rite in their face... sad community.

Not recently. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-history/NA1/215173624 One Rengar match in which he fed pretty hard.

There's a ton of Rengar in his ranked but, not recently so... can't really classify that as a main. Its like calling me an Udyr main, I haven't played him since like last year but I think I have the most games as him(Or is that Shaco?..).

Tentakill MyselfDec 30, 20159 votes

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You fucking main Rengar, how stoned are you today?

Even an ex rengar main thinks its bullshit ya

manbearswineDec 30, 20151 votes

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Even an ex rengar main thinks its bullshit ya

Why "ex rengar main"?

UltîmaDec 31, 20151 votes

Wouldn't that make his point of view more valuable since he has so much experience with Rengar and understands him better than the average player?

DreadlocksDec 31, 20151 votes

It makes his argument contradictory seeing as he mains the champion.

UltîmaDec 31, 20151 votes

Contradictory to what?! There's nothing inaccurate about his post being that Rengar can delete people in 0.01 seconds. I find your argument contrarian.

DreadlocksDec 31, 20151 votes

The fact that he is complaining about his main is contradictory. Do you understand now>?

UltîmaDec 31, 20152 votes

No it does not. In fact I would take his word over that of someone who never plays Rengar (like myself) because he would have better knowledge of the character's mechanics and overall strengths. It is not contradictory to admit certain aspects of a character you play may be oppressive or otherwise completely unfun to play against.

You'd hope the Yasuo/Riven/Fizz mains would learn something from this guy.

ZT XperimentorDec 30, 20152 votes

And people wonder why I say tanks are more fair than assassins; sure tanks have crowd control, but that can be removed a variety of ways (cleanse, hourglass, banshee's veil, ext). However riot removed revive, while the hourglass and other revive mechanics just delay being instantly killed by the duration of their uncontrollable animation. Yet tanks get nerfed first and more often than assassins . . . [zombie-brand-clap]

CanidaeDec 30, 20153 votes

I'll take instagib knife cats over tank meta. Any day.

ZT XperimentorDec 30, 20154 votes

Look at it like this; would you rather see who can disrupt eachother more effectively, or see who spends more of the game not playing? Personally I'd rather play a video game than watch it.

ChaddyFantomeDec 31, 20151 votes

Crown Control :To take away control from a player

Tanks have this. You aren't playing the game when stunned for 7 hours either.

ZT XperimentorDec 31, 20151 votes

Try reading the the primary comment in this chain; or try mastering fizz & yasou & olaf.

ChaddyFantomeDec 31, 20151 votes

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Try reading the the primary comment in this chain; or try mastering fizz & yasou & olaf.

What does any of that have to do with the point I made?

ZT XperimentorDec 31, 20151 votes

That cc can be circumvented, but respawning cannot be, that is my point you missed; and thus making your own claim ignorant & redundant, as others agree.

AYDUozaayuDec 30, 20151 votes

201.3k Mastery points on Rengar. Such a hypocrite

MealReadytoEatDec 30, 201523 votes

How is that being hypocritcal at all? Good god, every champ I play is held afloat by cheesy low counterplay gimmicks, and I readily admit it. His experience with Rengar makes him a good judge of his counterplay health, not a hypocrite for enjoying playing him.

manbearswineDec 30, 20151 votes

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How is that being hypocritcal at all? Good god, every champ I play is held afloat by cheesy low counterplay gimmicks, and I readily admit it. His experience with Rengar makes him a good judge of his counterplay health, not a hypocrite for enjoying playing him.

I wouldn't say it makes him a good judge,one would expect him to be biased in favor of rengar,though it's still possible for him to see him as bullshit,of course,that doesn't make him a hypocrite at all,you're supposed to play to win,nothing wrong with picking bullshit champs.