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@Meddler, can we talk about the state of Heimerdinger?

dEAdbUs·2/26/2017, 7:10:06 AM·15 votes·2,450 views

Heimer is sitting at less than 0.7% pick rate in SoloQ with winrate about 47-49%. I remind you that Riot mentioned Heimer is balanced around 55% winrate with 1% pickrate (thx to hardcore mains). Nowever one-trick-ponies can't win with this champion. He has not received a single buff since MYMU and I haven't heard anyone saying anything about him.

Currently Heimerdinged is just out of meta. Since release of Luden's Echo and Statikk Shiv he's suffering from increased AOE/multitarget mechanics. Juggernaut release gave us improved Hexdrinker/Malmortius - hardest counter item for Heimerdigner. Marksman update gave us: improved Runaan's Hurricane, Rapid Firecannon (long range) and etc. In MYMU most AP items were nerfed, so Heimer was playable only with Zzrot + Banner build. In Season 7 we also got Edge of Night.

I'd really like to see Riot address these issues; Heimerdinger is one of the coolest champions with so much potential but is completely ruined by most new items and mechanics.

23 Comments

Targon2/26/2017, 2:55:21 PM6 votes

I feel like Heimerdinger needs a large rework to be honest. He's very oppressive early game against melee match ups but is near useless in the mid-late game since most of his power is tied to his turrets which can easily be one shot in team fights with AOE or ranged abilities and auto attacks. I think Heimerdinger needs a shift in his power so that he isn't so turret dependent and that he can function relatively well in team fights.

Void Consumed2/26/2017, 7:23:14 AM5 votes

He needs a game play update, rather than a buff. Odd that an inventor doesn't change his creations over time. As for his ulti, I don't really think it's all that unique, it's decent, but the only things used are typically the rockets since that's the best, maybe the turret if enemies all in you. One other thing that bothers me is his ulti doesn't reset his CDs, but when we look at champions like Rengar he gets to double cast abilities as a passive. In which case Heimer has as his own ultimate.

taleofsonata2/26/2017, 5:03:19 PM3 votes

Heimerdinger is not a bad champion, he needs buff to his turret like having a MR and armor scaling off AP and they would be fine. https://clips.twitch.tv/flosd/ElegantYakShadyLulu I just got a quadra and won against boxbox feels good. As heimerdinger and I'm a heimerdinger main.

Asayake 5150glow2/26/2017, 3:20:45 PM2 votes

Change his W, it's basically an undodgable large chunk of damage when you realize he can spread it out and still do 80% of it's damage with a single rocket. It'd be fine if the directed shot was the only way of shooting it (except even then it's so bullshit when it clips you through minions), because that's actually dodgeable.

Zuwuse2/27/2017, 6:45:06 AM2 votes

Have you heard of Azir? His win/pick rate is the lowest in the game since riot gutted him

Derfel2/26/2017, 5:42:03 PM1 votes

They can't even nerf Leblanc properly you expect they have the attention span to deal with things Rioters have never seen or played like heimer

A Bad Nasus2/26/2017, 5:51:40 PM1 votes

Very funny since malzahar was considered the same way prerework with low pickrate and 55% winrate. He just needs something to help him do "heimer" things better.

Lugg2/26/2017, 6:07:53 PM1 votes

Heimer needs a small rework. They need to lower the damage of his turrets but increase their durability. Then they move the damage from his turrets to his grenades and rockets. This would make him a MUCH healthier champ and reward skill with him.

sobi9992/26/2017, 6:12:46 PM1 votes

I mean i do agree he is weak but ffs his laning phase is sooo fkn annoying. Maybe make that less annoying and make his outside lane easier for him. hope the yordle gets love :D

6Sfool2/26/2017, 9:23:16 PM1 votes

If the champ doesn't fit well in a bad meta, change the meta, don't buff the champ. I don't want to see the meta shift back and face a ton of post-buff heimers for half a season.

Death by Glamour2/27/2017, 8:58:41 AM1 votes

He took a hit when they increased the price of zhonyias.

deusexeesti3/15/2017, 9:59:50 PM1 votes

Have you SEEN how annoying Heimer is? Utter cancer to put it lightly. Trust me, I LLOOOVVVEEE the concept of his champ (Zyra support main here), but his kit and dmg makes me hate the ever loving GUTs out of him. Seeing how his turrets last longer, do more damage, and are sturdier than Zyra's plant yet his kit doesn't revolve around it like the way Zyra's kit does around her plants is TOTAL BS. What Heimer needs is a rework comprised of these 4 things.

Rework Ultimate into something else (Maybe just uber turret? maybe different forms of turret? but DEF not just pure dmg upgrade to his next skill)
Turrets need their health reworked. No more scaling off of AP into these super tanks that take 2 to 4 AAs from a FLIPPING carry. Also remove the fact they can damage tower UNLESS towers do extra damage to them.
Lower AP scalings across the board. I'd say -10% to all skills except turrets (after the health change, cuz health change makes it so they only need -5% scaling)
Rework the passive into something actually unique and not low-key toxic like the literal 40 Hp5 he gets at lv18. If you are going to be rebalancing him and fixing his ult and turrets, his passive deserves to be changed to reflect that. Perhaps have it buff the turrets instead (like I don't know, how Zyra's passive works to help her plants)

Conclusion - Great champ, horrible execution to the point where his turrets 110% power creeps the 'turrets' of a NEWER champ. (I mean seriously, Zyra is like at least 2 years newer than Heimer yet her turrets are just literally watered downed version of heimer turrets except she needs her ENTIRE kit to make full use of the plants).

taleofsonata2/26/2017, 8:16:00 AM1 votes

Raise his winrate but lower his pick rate.

50000000000000002/26/2017, 8:54:43 AM1 votes

Kircheis shard doesn't have a multi target damage until you finish Statikk shiv.

That said, the rest of your point seems solid.

Floupi2/26/2017, 12:46:14 PM1 votes

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THE RlVER KlNG2/26/2017, 1:35:44 PM1 votes

there are just champions that haven't seen the light of day in months if not years

DrMundo Fiddlesticks Heimerdinger Mordekaiser Nunu TahmKench among many others