Fiora is overloaded

DeusVult·Feb 19, 2017·35 votes·1,847 views

I'm honestly surprised we dont see more of her in LCS, she is a split push god, but can actually teamfight as well.

I've played many games against her, but none have ever been fun. Trying to build health/armor against her but still getting shredded, especially when she ults. And once she gets 2 lifesteal items, then you can't even fight her under tower. She builds and can 1v3 when you try to collapse on her. Get a for her last items.

Fiora's base stats are huge, her end game is huge, and yet she gets to be a lane bully. For me at least, Fiora falls into the top lane cancer trio of i'd rather play half my games against than against those 3 and I hate playing against the last 3 champs. But at least those have some level of counterplay.

21 Comments

Pathfinder YasuoFeb 19, 201714 votes

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I picked a tank into fiora and expected to win

MinaZer0Feb 19, 201712 votes

you haven't played against a good Gangplank or Jayce then.. if you would rather play against a them than Fiora , and also you haven't mentioned what you are playing into these champions, if you are playing tanks into them, no wonder you are getting destroyed in lane.

SpoofghoulFeb 19, 20179 votes

at least gangplank can't dash twice per second

and fiora's auto target on vitals with her Q has a hit detection radius the size of gangplanks ult

GayFluffyUnicornFeb 19, 20171 votes

Until first back it's basically a free lane against gp no matter what you play. Unless you walk into every barrel and let him freely Q you all day long+apply his passive burn.

After sheen it gets harder. If you can force him back without sheen you won lane. Sorry but there is no excuse losing lane to gp without junglers.

Critmaster GarenFeb 19, 20178 votes

fora doesnt do shit when behind. thats why you dont see her much in the lcs.

lcs champions are either those with massive team synergy like thresh, and/or champions who perform strong when ahead or behind.

like Gragas flash + body slam combo. it didnt matter if he was 0/5, as long as he had this ability, he was still able to make plays.

same goes for Shen . shutting him down doesnt stop him from being useful.

if you shut down fiora, shes complete garbage for the rest of the game.

MinaZer0Feb 19, 20173 votes

she scales HARD into late game LOLOL, her being behind doesn't mean shit, also no, she isnt picked much in esports because utility in CC is what teams are prioritizing, the reason why Ashe Varus and Jhin are pick ban every game, period.

Tychusfindlay919Feb 19, 20174 votes

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she scales HARD into late game LOLOL, her being behind doesn't mean shit, also no, she isnt picked much in esports because utility in CC is what teams are prioritizing, the reason why and are pick ban every game, period.

She can't scale hard if she gets put in the dirt and has no chance to come back before the game is decided.

If scale was what mattered we'd see Veigar in the LCS a lot more.

MinaZer0Feb 19, 20171 votes

Vayne

SpookyNeedleFeb 19, 20177 votes

Please don't start the Fiora QQ threads back up

MaeDoSanFeb 19, 20175 votes

Just hate her because it just feels like she controls the tempo of the lane and your just sitting there trying to survive and farm

THE RlVER KlNGFeb 19, 20174 votes

You can at least sort of catch and kill a Quinn or Gangplank after you catch them

You need like 3-4 people with multiple hard CCs to take down a bruiser Fiora/Yasuo/Camille because of how brokenly unfair their itemization is

option paralysisFeb 19, 20173 votes

I feel you man. Fiora is my kryptonite, I just can't play against her, when I see her dash around healing and dealing true dmg, I wanna rip my hair out.

Dasdi96Feb 19, 20173 votes

The thing is not even a tank is safe under a tower trying to stop a fiora splitpush. With other champions like zed or riven, a tank can survive under tower and waveclear due to their durability, but with fiora, she can just shred them down with her %max hp true damage as well as her lifesteal.

woodvsmurphFeb 19, 20173 votes

Yeah it's the % hp true damage on her ult (scales way too well and too high base) and her passive that make her broken. Consider: her ult is basically a morde ult on steroids because it deals true damage, and its %hp damage from just building 2 ad items is equal to a 4 ap item morde in terms of %hp. If she were weak aside from her ult, then no problem; but she's not. She can block enemy cc unlike any other toplaner, she has more mobility than others due to low cost, spammable q which isn't even really a skillshot, and her passive (proc vital and heal for __ hp) heals for more than renekton or darius q starting at lvl 1. For a champ who needs to scale up (like jax), she's way too safe and strong early. I know people say "she's weak in teamfights", but you can't really argue she's weaker than renekton or darius in teamfights if the enemy plays appropriately. The %hp on her ult needs to be toned down and the healing from her passive for procing a vital needs to be removed. Keep the %hp damage on her passive, but drop the healing -- she doesn't need it. And a full tank naut or maokai shouldn't lose 55% of their hp to a 3 damage item fiora just cuz she hit them 4 times and used her ult. If you give her 8 SECONDS to proc 4 hits, the % damage needs to be way more reasonable (like 35% max) or else be physical damage instead of true damage.

dunder killFeb 19, 20172 votes

overtuned =/= overloaded

Arsenic SulfurFeb 19, 20172 votes

She is a good teamfighter... IF YOU CAN GET YOUR ULT OFF! In LCS pulling off her ult is harder than making AP Darius work because if you use it on a tank, your ass is getting locked down and if you use it on a squishy they'll just kite you. You may have a dash but you don't have range. Her W means jack-diddly-shit if you pace your CC properly and it has a long cooldown even at 40% and you max it last. Outside of her ult she can't team fight for her own life.

If someone split-pushes in LCS, then the team they're on just gets engaged on and loses the fight. You traded 1.2K gold, map presence, 1-2 towers, dragon, a ton of experience, and most likely yourself for one or two measly towers. This makes split-pushing somewhat unviable unless you're Shen who can just jump back into any fights that break out.

They made it &MaxHP true damage so that you can't counterbuild it, but rather counterplay it. Riot let you see the marks for a reason. In a bad direction? Walk out of range or force Fiora out of range to reset it. Stand next to walls so that she can never reach it. Aim your skillshots in the direction of the mark for when she goes in.

FalconPawwwwnchFeb 20, 20172 votes

ITT tank mains salty they can't just build vs fiora

DunkinNoobsFeb 20, 20171 votes

Welcome to being a squishy melee champion: you get an overloaded kit.

Irelia BotFeb 20, 20171 votes

Irony of you saying Fiora is overloaded but saying you are fine dealing with Jayce who makes Irelia look under loaded.

floatinghamstersFeb 20, 20171 votes

I play fiora a decent amount and have her level 6, and I'm laughing at what you guys are saying. fiora isn't common in lcs cause she can just get shut down early. just bait out her w then go in and burst her. her w has a ridiculous cooldown early game. or just build frozen heart or randuins and the attack speed slow messes up fiora a ton. or you can just pick someone with good poke and just kite her. also, don't fight her while her ult is on you, just peel back and wait for it to run out. shes good at forcing people out of lane, but their is no reason you should ever die to her unless you mess up.