Something that bothers me about some champions...

The Highest Noon··4 votes·2,468 views

Rakan Beats stuff with his wing, is ranged instead of melee Thresh Whips stuff with his chain, is ranged instead of melee Zac Whips stuff with his gooey arms, is melee instead of ranged Sylas Has chains but instead punchies stuff; is melee instead of ranged

Can someone explain the logic behind this?

I've always thought that Rakan should be melee since he doesn't toss projectiles--he even has a melee animation when he's close to targets, yet he isn't melee...he's ranged.

Thresh is a different case, and tbh that's up in the air for what devs decide. It used to be my understanding that if a champion isn't actively releasing a projectile, they're not considered ranged. In Thresh's case, his projectile is attached to a chain hence why I say they decide whatever. Ranged or melee, it could work.

Zac's situation ties to Thresh's. It's his fist, but it functions much like Thresh's chain and hook. If you consider Thresh's weapon and Zac's weapon the same general design, you'd expect them both to function the same. But as with Thresh, it doesn't really matter since it could be used either way.

All three lead me to Sylas. He punches stuff, but at the same time he has long, trailing chains that could be used in the same way as Thresh's. He should be using them not just with the empowered animation but in the same manner as Thresh or Rakan; considering the latter has a melee animation, Sylas could too...just doesn't. Overall, his chains are just a real distraction from what he really is. TBH I suggest either shortening the chains until they're used via his abilities or outright making him ranged. Or even make him a melee with extended attacks. That same change could be pushed towards all four of these champions, creating a third tier of basic attacks. There are already champions with abilities that give them ranged melee attacks so this isn't something so outlandish that it can't be considered. Given the designs of the four mentioned champions, it makes sense.

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Syrile6 votes

Honestly, it would not surprise me if the only logic they use is to determine how best to make the champion weak to Yasuo. Pretty soon even the melee champions will count as ranged in regards to his Windwall. :p

The Highest Noon3 votes

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Honestly, it would not surprise me if the only logic they use is to determine how best to make the champion weak to Yasuo. Pretty soon even the melee champions will count as ranged in regards to his Windwall. :p

lmao I could see it happening

Syrile3 votes

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lmao I could see it happening

Give it time!!!! :p

[sg-janna]

Bardmageddon5 votes

Thresh auto attacks also ignore windwall, something only melee champ does

The Highest Noon1 votes

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Thresh auto attacks also ignore windwall, something only melee champ does

Exactly, and it makes sense but considering it's ranged it doesn't.

jocomotion4 votes

Azir the hell is a project-tile?

MankeyMadness4 votes

Okay but why is Rengar manaless but not Kha Zix?

Why is Garen able to summon a giant sword of light out of the sky or spin really fast without using mana, but Darius swinging his axe hard or jumping into the air DOES? How does Katarina not use mana to throw daggers and T e l e p o r t but Talon uses it to stab you?

Gnar is manaless but Sivir isnt. Neither is any other Yordle ... besides Rumble, who's mech doesnt require it while Corki's ROFLCopter does.

Reksai shoots void dust at you without mana. Kaisa shoots plasma and Khazix shoots spines from his back and both use mana.

The Highest Noon3 votes

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Okay but why is Rengar manaless but not Kha Zix?

Why is Garen able to summon a giant sword of light out of the sky or spin really fast without using mana, but Darius swinging his axe hard or jumping into the air DOES? How does Katarina not use mana to throw daggers and T e l e p o r t but Talon uses it to stab you?

Gnar is manaless but Sivir isnt. Neither is any other Yordle ... besides Rumble, who's mech doesnt require it while Corki's ROFLCopter does.

Reksai shoots void dust at you without mana. Kaisa shoots plasma and Khazix shoots spines from his back and both use mana.

Woah woah woah too many valid points man

MankeyMadness1 votes

Rakan is classified as range because of Xayah's W. His autos launch feathers when she presses W near him just like his E has longer range if hes targeting her.

Thresh is ranged so he can't benefit from Tiamat - the lack of Targon execute is mitigated by his E passive.

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