Does swain not scale well or is he bad in teamfights

d4rkshock·Dec 30, 2016·2 votes·4,661 views

So I tried swain in 2 of my games. I seem to do good early then I seem to Doo shitty after mid game. Is it because he scales bad in the late game or is he just bad in teamfights.

10 Comments

Shuriman CuratorDec 30, 20162 votes

Check out the Swain mains subreddit. Lots of good info there.

OurLestradeDec 30, 20162 votes

The main issue people have when taking Swain into late game is thinking that he's a front line tank. He may be the bulkiest of the mages, but if he's the front line then your team's set up wrong. Thinking with a juggernaut mentality of following up on engages is generally the right approach with him (The amount of times I've been the closest thing to an engage the team has because everyone's an AD assassin...)

RiotRiot SotereDec 30, 20167 votes

Yerp, really hard to get his positioning right. Seems at some point late the damage also just outscales his sustain.

d4rkshockDec 30, 20163 votes

It's not sustain, it's SUSWAIN!!! XD.

Twitch ChatDec 30, 20162 votes

I'm going to guess you built badly.

DehitayDec 30, 20161 votes

No and no. I honestly have no idea how you managed to do well early but mess up in his two best areas. I'm guessing they probly weren't actually team fights, but you being outnumbered

AvienalDec 30, 20161 votes

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No and no. I honestly have no idea how you managed to do well early but mess up in his two best areas. I'm guessing they probly weren't actually team fights, but you being outnumbered

I have to agree with Dehitay on this, did you build Swain properly such as some AP/Health Tank? Namely with items like item 3065 to make effective use of his ultimate's healing and team fighting fkery mechanic since your basically going to heal alot of health back if the entire enemy team is near you if they try to focus on you. Otherwise its kind of hard to imagine Swain being screwed, though technically his 'early game' in lane can be quite good against low mobility champions since he ends up tap damaging them pretty well with his placement abilities and especially if he manages to stun the opponent and get them to take most of the damage of that crow turret beam..whatever that one is called, never really played swain that much so i don't recall what each of his abilities are called and where they are placed.

But considering 'most' enemy opponents in lane fighting, they likely will have the mobility to avoid your stuff or just buy boots early and stomp on you relatively easy.

[zombie-brand-facepalm]

d4rkshockDec 30, 20161 votes

I take him top. He's a good lane bully. I don't think the same can be said about mid. I heard he's a good top lanner as well as a mid. He is a controll mage with lots of SUSWAIN!!! That just means I was playing him wrong.

SNSD SunnnyDec 30, 20161 votes

swains early game is horrendous but his mid game is 10x better...

also never buy spirit visage unless you're getting both abyssal and spirit

DethflashDec 30, 20161 votes

As a mastery 7 swain main, i would highly suggest getting spirit visage second item. even if im against an AD champion in lane i always rush spirit visage second item so i have that 25% increased healthing, then i typically get a rylais after that to just be a slowing healing annoyance to the enemy team. Zhyonas is always great if you can get to the back line while in ult and just zhyonas. swain ult keeps going when you zhyonas with him.