Can we agree that TF just has such a bad design?

LatetotheRace··4 votes·753 views

Right now all he does is throw a card that has a 1-2 second stun, then throws more cards in your general direction that's almost guaranteed if he actually threw his first card. He's got decent wave clear with the red card, and increased damage + free mana with the blue card. All and all it feels like he has 0 interaction due to his kit and build. How can this be fun at all to play against/as? The biggest problem he has apart from his ancient and boring kit is definitely item 3113, why isn't the passive unique? By third item he already has item 3020 item 3285 item 3100 which is 45 + 17% movement speed... That and stormraider's surge, but I'm not going to talk about that.

I think TF should have been on the list for the mage update tbh, and he really needs to go on the list for champion updates. Riot removed the point and click stun from Sion and Taric due to it being dull and uninteractive, so why the special treatment? Why haven't we at least attempted to band-aid it by adding some kind of de-buff/dimishing returns for using one card consecutively against a single target, or something?

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Great Muta2 votes

TF is the most frustrating champ in the game.

He has 0 good matchups. ZERO. Every champ is better than him in lane. Veigar has better CC, Ryze does more damage and Lux has a nice ult.

He has no fucking abilities minus his 3 card draw and the yellow/red/blue cards. You have to buy ignite with him just to have an attack.

Meanwhile, Yasuo and Ekko get slows, stuns, walls, heals, dashes and piles of bullshit while TF has TWO attacks total.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

In return, he makes the game extremely frustrating for the enemy team. They basically can't do anything aggressive, unless they want a point and click stun that TP from half a map away that they can't hide from.

(and I wound't say he has 0 good matchups: http://champion.gg/champion/TwistedFate

Great Muta1 votes

He does.

Literally, anyone who plays his TF will tell you his strategy is to "play like a bitch". That's not a fucking healthy game plan.

And as soon as you buy quick silver sash, his stun stops working.

He's also god-awful in the 100-0 super damage meta.

LatetotheRace1 votes

I'm not arguing whether he's good or bad, I'm simply stating that he is in a terrible state on account of his boring and stale kit. As such I'd like to see him changed to where there's viable counterplay/interaction while also enjoying a higher skill ceiling and more gameplay options.

Remnar1 votes

I remember playing TF as an ADC back in the day.. don't see that much anymore.

The Last Ballad2 votes

Me and my sister do that sometimes. It is the River Kings bot lane, with TK and TF!

Push the lane, tahm ults over to mid for a gank, and Tf ults back to bot to pick up cs and defend tower. We had a game with a Shen aswell, and the enemy team did not know where we were ever. Any 1v1 could suddenly turn into a 1v2-5(with tahm ferrying the last member while TF and shen teleporting themselves)

Hayaishi21 votes

His wave clear is retarded enough to avoid lane interaction.

Rivuo1 votes

TF lacks in AoE / Burst damage.

I actually dont like him in terms of when you need a hard hitter. I mean hes a good champ in general but eh. sometimes you need dps and he cant really provide that

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