Wait, so YOU'RE TELLING ME...

Jaygo41·Feb 19, 2015·53 votes·3,432 views

You're telling me that Kassadin currently needs a nerf on his ult but Nidalee doesn't need a tone down? When we realize that Nidalee will be a legitimately better champion than Kassadin ON ALL FRONTS, will only then she warrant a nerf? Damage, she has him beat, mobility she WILL have him beat, lane phase and late game will also be better, as she can poke teams off of ANY objective.

When will Kassadin stop getting the bat and when will Nidalee get what she deserves? If Jarvan and Kassadin get a nerfs, Nidalee needs one.

45 Comments

The Ruin SageFeb 19, 201515 votes

nidalee needs to get urgutted/olaffed/nerfed to hell

TerffFeb 19, 20157 votes

I dont even think she's OP I just hate her... So yeah I agree.

SquarefighterFeb 19, 20158 votes

No champion deserves that.

GatiFeb 19, 201511 votes

I honestly think she isn't overpowered, all it takes is some basic skill to dodge the skinny skillshot that your all crying about, the only reason she should hit it is if she is out of position. Which you can punish her for. Not to mention she is almost useless in teamfights.

KeitronFeb 19, 20154 votes

Well she hasssss, Mobility, able to hop through ledges, big heals & attack speed bonus, map control(traps), poke, ranged, melee, can support mid jungle top, can be build ad/ap, 2 transformations.

Thats so balanced!

NarasimhaFeb 19, 20152 votes

And yet, people weren't crying about her before she popped up in the LCS.

So either we have a bunch of sheep, or a bunch of hypocrites.

DreddethFeb 19, 20151 votes

The fact that a given champ can do a little bit of everything (And not even as well as, say, LeeSin , whose kit can do pretty much anything.) is no reason to QQ. I can do a good job of top, mid, bot, support, bruiser, carry, whatever I need with Kayle and the appropriate rune & mastery sets, and nobody QQs about her, or the other champions of notorious adaptability ( Chogath is usually a tank, but can fill a few other roles, depending on the team comp.).

I just plain suck at Jungling, though, no matter who I pick.

KeitronFeb 19, 20153 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA04nbviQ8E

DreddethFeb 20, 20152 votes

My life is enriched by knowing that this exists.

SammystormFeb 20, 20152 votes

when you say champs kit like that it can make any one sound op.

Another champ has the ability to jump through walls, atk damage modifier, vision, map control, a nuke, mobility. Caitlyn

Or another champ can sustain in lane forever, gets free health, has a huge true damage nuke, has aoe knock up that can't be reduced by tenacity, a slow, a 3 second silence, a passive auto attack amplifier. Chogath

You literally can make any champ sound op when you phrase things in bias ways.

TotalJerkFeb 19, 20159 votes

This is getting on my nerves. There's a billion threads on here already about this for you to circle jerk on. Can you please stop flooding the damn boards with the same crap day in and day out? I just know you guys are gonna cry censorship if Riot starts deleting these redundant theads, so that's why they don't touch them.

Ulquiorra995Feb 19, 20152 votes

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This is getting on my nerves. There's a billion threads on here already about this for you to circle jerk on. Can you please stop flooding the damn boards with the same crap day in and day out? I just know you guys are gonna cry censorship if Riot starts deleting these redundant theads, so that's why they don't touch them.

Well it worked for Mordekaiser. Why not try again?

qetzelFeb 19, 20152 votes

Because there were more complaints about Veigar and those didn't help? It was the quality of some of the Mordekaiser complaints, I think, rather than the number of complaints.

AlorasenceFeb 20, 20151 votes

Riot doesn't comment on anything people have said regarding those Kassadin changes; no defense, justification, or explanation.

The onus is on Riot to answer questions and doubts. People should continue protesting until Riot responds.

People were quiet about Syndra, and now she sucks. People were quiet about Azir, and now he sucks. Elise, Ryze, Zac, Gragas, Zilean, et cetera. Riot has been shown, time and time again, to be untrustworthy concerning champion balance.

This season is the most atrocious in terms of balance, and Riot has made every effort to show apathy concerning the last dozen champions they've gutted. It's general amateurism and their decisions show contempt towards their customers.

PrinceOfStormsFeb 19, 20155 votes

Nidalee's damage is contingent upon her landing a spear, which is a very narrow skillshot that travels rather slowly.

Kassadin's damage has no such contingency; he just Riftwalks in, presses his buttons, and Riftwalks out.

TerffFeb 19, 20154 votes

Lol yeah his dash nerf is now like 440 range with multiplicative mana costs and hers is 375 range for no mana cost.

Big Bang BobFeb 19, 20153 votes

No. Bad Rito. Stop it.

A Slime AppearsFeb 19, 20152 votes

Forgot to mention Kassadin's is an ult while Nidalee's is a basic ability.

Knight SoIaire Feb 19, 20152 votes

you forgot the hunt which like doubles her range on that jump

SammystormFeb 19, 20154 votes

Nid can't all in nearly as well as Kassadin can. Nid has more potential build paths but isn't nearly as successful at being an assassin or a all in champ.

Knight SoIaire Feb 19, 20153 votes

Nid can't all in nearly as well as Kassadin can.

lol wut ? nidaele has better poke an early gapcloser, execute

her all inns pre 6 are incomparably better than kassadin her all inns pre 6 are still better because kassadins damage got gutted

SammystormFeb 19, 20151 votes

you are right. Nid has a better poke at all points of the game and a better all in pre 6. However kass has never been known for early game power. Once kass hits 6 he is a milion times better then nid at assassinating or all ining someone. Nid's playstyle is exactly as you described it. poke until they are either forced away or you can dive them. Nid is a poke champ when built ap and a bruiser when built ad. niether are as effective as kass's ability to nuke you.

Knight SoIaire Feb 19, 20152 votes

Once kass hits 6 he is a milion times better then nid at assassinating or all ining someone.

unfortunately nerfs and buffs changed that

nidaele became a full fledged assasin who can assasinate after a spear (the hunt system)

while kassa became an assasin with realy weak early and mid game (he is durable to live but he isnt going to assasinate a target who has full health)

when it comes to full builds id say they are equal (unless nida doesnt oneshot )

SammystormFeb 19, 20151 votes

This just isn't true. Nid has to land a spear to be able to engage on someone. Kass does not. They both are pretty good at cleaning up weak targets but kass is just better at hard engaging. You literally don't ever see anyone hard engage with nid unles they land a spear. it doesn't matter how much you nerf kass he will still be better at that playstyle then nid will be. Nid is all about poking then cleaning up the fight after they are weak. Kass will go in if he can find a high value target. Nid is not an assassin. She is a poke champion that has good clean up.

EDIT: the fact that you have to add "after a spear" to every talk about nid engaging in cougar form shows she is not a good all in champ. She has to land a high damage nuke or else she can't fight the other champ.

Knight SoIaire Feb 19, 20152 votes

Nid has to land a spear to be able to engage on someone. Kass does not.

we are comparing the damage and assasinartion potential not reliability

nid wins early and mid game

You literally don't ever see anyone hard engage with nid unles they land a spear

because hunt ?

SammystormFeb 20, 20151 votes

that is the play style of a poke champ. Not an assassin. Nid can all in but she will lose fights if she trys to all in without first landing poke. Her playstyle is very defensive and very passive. Kassadin is the exact opposite He is very aggressive and very offensive.

Knight SoIaire Feb 20, 20152 votes

you dont get that term assasin changed

before it was a champ made for squishy killing

now it is an opportunistic champ able to capitalize or windows of opportunity

this makes nida an assasin (according to riot)

SammystormFeb 20, 20151 votes

Nid doesn't capitalize on windows of opportunity. That is entirely what a assassin does. Even if a champ was out of position in a team fight it is very unlikely that nid could capitalize on it. She haas to wait to clean up a fight or land poke before being able to engage. Kass can profit from poor position. He can kill you if you position poorly.

Knight SoIaire Feb 21, 20151 votes

Nid doesn't capitalize on windows of opportunity.

i just landed a spear on their adc, and he is isolated from his team meh i wont capitalize cause im not an assasin, ill just waste the opportunity cause im a mage and i can use only my spears

do you even know what you are saying?

nida and kass capitalize on diferent opportunities, but the playstyle is the same, wait for a good moment and go in

you can brag as much as you can but you wont change the way champion is played

SammystormFeb 21, 20151 votes

Nid has really bad team fight for a reason. Either she has to 1 v1 or she has to completely isolate a target. kassadin can team fight and doesn't require one of his spells to land before he can engage. I honestly don't know why you compare nid to kass their playstyles are very different. Nid focuses on landing poke then engages. Kass looks for a opening then engages. If nid were to go in like kass she would just die without having a meaningful impact.

Knight SoIaire Feb 19, 20152 votes

Nid has to land a spear to be able to engage on someone. Kass does not.

we are comparing the damage and assasinartion potential not reliability

nid wins early and mid game

You literally don't ever see anyone hard engage with nid unles they land a spear

because hunt ?

BetaDude40Feb 19, 20153 votes

Kassadin: Damage gutted, scaling mana cost on ultimate ability Nidalee: land one spear or trap and you can turn into cougar form and mash all the buttons for an instant kill, with her dash having no mana cost.

If this goes through the PBE (which it undoubtedly will, despite how much feedback is absolutely against it. Remember Cass, Sona, Olaf, Morde, ect.?) then Nidalee can do everything better than Kassadin.

1st HanarSpectreFeb 19, 20151 votes

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Kassadin: Damage gutted, scaling mana cost on ultimate ability Nidalee: land one spear or trap and you can turn into cougar form and mash all the buttons for an instant kill, with her dash having no mana cost.

If this goes through the PBE (which it undoubtedly will, despite how much feedback is absolutely against it. Remember Cass, Sona, Olaf, Morde, ect.?) then Nidalee can do everything better than Kassadin.

Except kill Kassadin, because he still wins 1v1 against her.. Before you nerdrage too hardcore and pop a blood vessel, no I don't think the additional nerf to riftwalk are warranted, I am against them, but Nidalee's pounce has nothing to do with this, stop the circlejerking.

SammystormFeb 19, 20151 votes

whether or not you think the nerfs to cass are justified comparing the kass to nid is silly. They are not in the same category. Kass will always be better at assassin playstyles then nid is. Kassadin actually has ap scaling on his all in moves. nid has the majority of her ap ratio's in human form and the majority of ad ratios in cougar form. So if she builds ad her all in is better (not as good as kass) but her poke is bad. If she builds ap her all in is bad bbut her poke is amazing.

jjookkeerrFeb 20, 20152 votes

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Nid can't all in nearly as well as Kassadin can. Nid has more potential build paths but isn't nearly as successful at being an assassin or a all in champ.

Q>pounce>Q

SammystormFeb 20, 20151 votes

you literally don't see anyone do that out side of the laning phase or to clean up a fight.

soulbanana8Feb 19, 20154 votes

Kassadin didn't even deserve the nerf. The only reason as to why he's picked is because he's a 2nd AP top laner.

Ulquiorra995Feb 19, 20152 votes

And don't forget others who have at least 2 mobility spells that can be used with no cool down in-between with longer range than Kassadin but Riot thinks they are healthy LeeSin Leblanc Zed

#LC$BIGPLAYS

Silents429Feb 19, 20152 votes

Holy shit another click bait title.

RisottoNeroFeb 20, 20152 votes

Both deserve nerfs. At least one of them is getting them lol

LuciferFeb 20, 20152 votes

I'm convinced the balance team doesnt know what the fuck they're doing :(

DehornFeb 19, 20151 votes

an ez tweak to nidalee - pounce costs mana unless youre pouncing on a hunted target.

Mandang0Feb 19, 20151 votes

Who said Nid's not getting nerfed?

Honestly, are people really surprised that Kassadin got nerfed? What game have you been playing for the last year? And please, no more of this "but Moooom, he got TWO cookies" defense of OP champs - it's missing the bigger picture of all the other champs they're keeping down.

Killer X 12Feb 19, 20151 votes

She doesn't out damage him late, and won't after the nerfs either.

But, i have no idea why they are gutting his Ult again.

KrinuFeb 20, 20151 votes

A couple things:

Nidalee has to set up her dive, either with a well-placed trap ahead of time or a slow-traveling narrow skillshot. Both of those let you know that you're in danger.
If the spear doesn't chunk off a good bit of your health, you're not really in danger because her cat form Q scales HARD with missing health. If it does knock off a lot of health, you've got some time to react because she can't dash the entire distance of her extended-range spear in a single kitty dive.
She has no escape. Sure, she can CATCH you with her spear toss/trap kitty dive, but getting out again? Not as easy.

Compare this to Kassadin, who doesn't need to let you know he's coming and also can escape just as easily as he got in.