Last whisper is just a trap at this point

Sujiren·Jun 2, 2017·2 votes·388 views

This used to be a go to item, when the enemies start to pick up armor. Now I agree that it shouldn”t be an item you build every single game, but damn, 35% bonus armor penetration is like literally nothing. Lets do some math, lets say we are dealing with a fighter and he has 150 bonus armor, that means we are denying him like 55 armor out of his 230+ armor, thats like literally nothing. But wait what if the enemy team is really tanky? Well by itself this item still will not do enough to kill tanks, unless you combo it with a bork, at which point im already dedicating two of my items just to kill the tanks, might aswell pick a champion that has built in tank shred like vayne or kog instead. Like seriously though, the only reason to build one anymore is to give your executioners calling a meaningfull upgrade.

15 Comments

MrHaZeYoJun 2, 20174 votes

Wait, now tanks can actually remain tanky? No way.

ChaddyFantomeJun 2, 20172 votes

35% is literally just 5% less than the item prerework back when it was mandatory on every AD champ in every game.

Automated RivenJun 2, 20172 votes

I hate to disagree but last whisper used to be 40% max armor. now its 35% bonus armor. So looking at someone with 100 base armor and 150 bonus armor current removes 55. pre rework would have removed 100. so its far less then pre rework last whisper.

This being said its far from being worthless.

ChaddyFantomeJun 2, 20171 votes

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I hate to disagree but last whisper used to be 40% max armor. now its 35% bonus armor. So looking at someone with 100 base armor and 150 bonus armor current removes 55. pre rework would have removed 100. so its far less then pre rework last whisper.

This being said its far from being worthless.

Wait, so u disagree...by agreeing with me? whut?

Automated RivenJun 2, 20171 votes

No I did not agree with you. 35% bonus armor is far less useful then 40% total armor. 40% total armor is useful and increases damage against all targets. 35% bonus armor not only reduces the total armor that it shreds by a large amount but it does Jack shit against targets that don't buy armor. Learn to read man.

Jayce TopJun 2, 20171 votes

It was 45% my dude.

ChaddyFantomeJun 2, 20171 votes

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It was 45% my dude.

didn't it get nerfed to 40 at one point actually?

Sp33d Zer0Jun 2, 20171 votes

I actually did the math with the new armor values, and if they had kept the armor the same, the new LW is 28.7% armor pen

Jayce TopJun 2, 20172 votes

This is coming from a Jayce main, that builds Last whisperer every game. As much as I would love to see the item go back to 45% bonus armor pen, but I think the reason why it wont is because of this:

Enemy malphite (one of the most tanky champion in game) has 600 armor and 5000 health lets say.

Our jayce has item 3071 item 3142 item 3111 item 3036 item 3026 item 3153 anti tank items.

Malphites armor now after bc stacks = 600 - 24% = 456 armor. 456 - 15 Youmuus = 441 441 - 92 (base armor at level 18) = 349 349 - 35% = 227 227 + 92 = 319

He now has 319 armor, almost half of his armor is gone just from three armor pen items. Thats not including masteries/runes (7% armor pen in masteries, 6 armor pen in masteries, 24 armor pen in runes). Also, when jayce swaps his his r to Cannon mode, his auto removes 15% total armor. Kayle has this too, 3% armor/magic pen per auto.

So now malph has 319 armor, basically ignores 60% of all ad damage. Lets not forget that in order for a champ to get that much armor, they would be very vulnerable to magic damage. But he also has 5k health. Jayce with that build will have about 400 Attack damage. Add 20% to that because of item 3036 and he now has 480. Also the Bork damage will do insane damage against the malph.

Point is, Malph will die pretty easily against a Jayce 1v1. The only thing Malph will be useful for is ganking. And unless your team is bronze, they should know not to focus a 600 armor 5k health malph instead of the heavy damage carries.

RalanrJun 2, 20171 votes

That's even if Malphite can reach 5K health since they nerfed all health items.

Automated RivenJun 2, 20171 votes

Malphite is supposed to lose a 1v1 against and adc late game. Very few tanks win a 1v1 against adc's past 3 items. And they shouldn't. Tanks are strong midgame. Adc is stronger when they have full build.

SujirenJun 2, 20171 votes

It”s just too inneficient imo, like a couple of days back, i played full tank sion, i would assume adc would build lw to counter me right? But nope, they didnt e en bother and chose to build more lifesteal and a ga instead and just ignore me altogether until im last man standing, which i think was correct.

King of DemonsJun 2, 20171 votes

55 armor pen is still better than having no armor pen at all

SujirenJun 2, 20171 votes

Well considering its supposed to be tank busting item and hardly does anything vs them, and almost nothing at all vs non tanks I think we have a problem.

Sp33d Zer0Jun 2, 20174 votes

It does do work against them. It just doesn't let us ADCs turn them into butter. The increase on giant slayer gives it quite a bit of power to compensate.