If you could nerf one champion, who would it be?

WadeWilson1337··3 votes·791 views

Can be any champion. Going to list champions being nerfed on pbe, if you dont feel like the nerfs are enough, feel free to list them anyways. Ahri Ezreal Fiora Since shes a popular choice, these are her pbe nerfs. Fiora Riposte (W) cooldown increased to 24/22/20/18/16 from 19/18/17/16/15. Bladework (E) - two changes to CD of this ability: Cooldown lowered to 13/11/9/7/5 from15/13/11/9/7 Cooldown now starts after you've attacked twice or buff falls off. Gangplank KogMaw Lucian Malphite Soraka Udyr Viktor XinZhao

48 Comments

Bonipherus6 votes

Fizz

Dominick Destine5 votes

REALLY tough call between Zed and Yasuo

Ionian4 votes

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weeaboomer4 votes

Talon Talon Talon Talon Talon Talon Talon Talon Talon

AlwaysByMySide3 votes

Lux

ProfDrDeath3 votes

Quinn - My main:

Q - Blinding Assault: Damage lowered to 20-100 + 0.8-1.0 Total AD (from 20-120 + 0.8-1.2 Total AD) Only deals 80% damage to minions

R - Behind Enemy Lines:

New passive effect: Increases Blinding Assault's damage by 10/20/30% Total AD

Essentially, lowering her waveclear potential a bit and shifting a bit of power from the early into the later stages of the game. Because I recognize that playing against her in lane can be a tad oppressive.

LankPants3 votes

I'm still going to have to say LeeSin . He's not the most annoying champ or the most powerful, but after 4 years of seeing Lee as the most picked jungler I just don't want to ever have to see him again.

OverpoweredSoap3 votes

Kalista

I'd remove her hopping passive entirely (because thematically it makes no sense) and then balance the rest of her kit around that.

Then she becomes 95% less annoying.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

To be fair, to remove her identity because they made her lore shitty is a stupid balance idea. We might as well remove Jhin's entire kit, because how does sniping have to do with perfecting death? What does a moon worshiper have to do with tons of hopping? I get the pull, like a gravitational pull, but a crescent skillshot, or repeated dashes, or a shield? What if they removed all that and replaced it with a kit like Nocturne's or something? What about Warwick? What does being a werewolf have to do with healing a ton? What if they removed that?

I'd get nerfing her, but to remove her passive is just biased and salt-induced.

Lugg3 votes

Yasuo should only be able to ult people that he knocked up. He is WAY too strong when paired with someone like Malphite.

Snowball4u2 votes

Where da fuq is Graves on the list

KhaZix Bot1 votes

Does Graves have nerfs on the PBE?

WadeWilson13372 votes

Nope

KhaZix Bot1 votes

Then it would appear that Snowball has his answer.

Crossette2 votes

Fiora Udyr AlistarJhin Braum Zed XinZhao Jax Darius Corki Jhin Chogath {{summoner:17}} Blitzcrank DrMundo Diana Kindred Leblanc LeeSin Poppy Nautilus Tristana Vi Volibear Akali Rengar Ahri Fizz Pantheon MissFortune

WadeWilson13371 votes

Fiora, Udyr, Alistar, Zed, Xin, Corki, Blitz are all valid options imo

Crossette1 votes

this post was 20% satire

hence the double Jhin and {{summoner:17}}

:^)

GGX Millia2 votes

Alistar Zed Katarina Fiora Fizz Kalista Lucian Thresh Blitzcrank Tryndamere Graves

Can't really pick one, but those are the champs I really hate seeing on enemy team right now.

WadeWilson13371 votes

I think Alistar buffer combo was a mistake. I dont think Zed is op, but he REALLY makes blind picking mid hard as he just destroys any immoble mage right now. Katarina is getting buffed actually. However i do think that Kalista, Fiora, Zed, Lucian, and Blitzcrank are a bit too strong atm.

GGX Millia1 votes

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I think Alistar buffer combo was a mistake. I dont think Zed is op, but he REALLY makes blind picking mid hard as he just destroys any immoble mage right now. Katarina is getting buffed actually. However i do think that Kalista, Fiora, Zed, Lucian, and Blitzcrank are a bit too strong atm.

About Katarina, no matter how "weak" she is (and she's quite weak right now), she makes the game extremely irritating. Quite like Zed, actually. It's not that either champ is broken, it's just that champ with blinks, super high damage and good mobility pretty much always stays relevant and annoying. i believe it should not be like that - true to the "assassin" role, the champs should be actually useless instead of just "squishier". They're gods when they're ahead, so no reason to put in so many buffers for them when they're behind.

Thresh, Ali and Blitz are literally just too tanky early. Thresh has too much HP and passive stacks really easily, Ali sustains himself and ADC for ages, Blitz has good armor values to begin with and the passive shield on top. All of them are super safe as well, unlike, for example, Leona who has to go in balls deep, or Braum who is forced to melee range to proc passive. Safe champs should be squishier, unsafe - tanky, at least in my humble opinion.

The rest I don't want to comment on, simply because anyone who plays the game should know why they're disguisting to play against.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Katarina is quite squishy and one form of CC can stop her ult. Try to CC Zed and nope he laughs while he shadows away. Zed is more annoying and oppressive in my opinion. And because Kat has been so weak for so long, I like the buffs they are giving her.

GGX Millia1 votes

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Katarina is quite squishy and one form of CC can stop her ult. Try to CC Zed and nope he laughs while he shadows away. Zed is more annoying and oppressive in my opinion. And because Kat has been so weak for so long, I like the buffs they are giving her.

She had been top 5 winrate for ages though. And the problem isn't really Kat's ult, it's her ability to go in and instakill low HP hp champs in like 0.5s AND get out safely OR keep killing. And she is NOT that squishy, it takes about 2 rotations from a non-super fed champ to kill her. She is about as healthy as Talon, in fact, but Talon has to go in balls deep to do his job while she has a blink and a reset for it to run away. No risk high reward compared to Talon.. I don't find that to acceptable at all. Just like Zed who can ult and shadow out. It should be either risk or reward, not both at once.

Oh well, if they buff her, at least I'll have 60% chance to not see her in my games. And even higher chance if my teammates are wise. Godbless new ban system.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

I can delete a Kat in one rotation with Diana, even if I'm not fed. If Kat jumps in when people are not low, that's her mistake because she easily dies. She has to wait until the tanks and ADC peel some health off before going in. If she doesn't get her resets she CAN'T get out, unlike Zed who can. Zed is no risk high reward.

Gimpy892 votes

i would nerf Irelia

WadeWilson13371 votes

tbh i would nerf irelia if it wasnt for the fact Fiora does what she does but better. As soon as Fiora is nerfed tho, I think Irelia is gonna be an issue again with the merc tread buffs

LankPants3 votes

Tenacity doesn't work the way you think it works.

When Irelia buys Merc Treads she gets less value out of them than any other champion. Tenacity stacks multiplicatively, which means Irelia's passive makes her lose 40% of the Tenacity from Merc Treads. This means that she only achieves 58% tenacity in the stacked case, meaning the Merc Treads are only actually giving her 18% CC reduction, less than Merc's currently give every other champ in the game, and they're considered garbage right now.

Tenacity is actually a terrible stat to build on Irelia.

SnugglePuggle941 votes

Irelia is quite fine in my opinion.

KhaZix Bot2 votes

Kindred

I feel like her ult should be accompanied by a mandatory text message that reads:

Kindred's brain doesn't work fast enough to perceive fast paces actions in a team fight! Kindred is now dragging you down to fight at her pace!

alasarcher2 votes

Draven

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Talll2 votes

Riven make her stun a low ranged projectile instead of an aoe, the aoe stun combines too well with her other abilities Kennen his passive stun is fucking insane XinZhao synergizes way to fukcin well with himself

SnugglePuggle941 votes

All I will say is Kennen's stun takes skill and time to stack up to be able to hit, while all others can just point and click or a single skillshot to hit their stun.

What would he be without his from of CC? Nothing.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

Zed Nerf or half his double passive damage. Lengthen the delay on his being able to blink back to his shadow. Let his passive only be able to use on minions. Nerf his ult pop damage.

This no good, cancerous, ridiculous champion needs major nerfs. And don't even try to use the Zhonya counterplay on me. He can wait the stasis out then kill you, and build enough armor pen to negate the armor you buy to defend against him. Such a bs champ.

Truly Prideful2 votes

Fizz or Zed, I really don't care which one.

WadeWilson13371 votes

Nidalee This one is my vote, she is incredibly oppresive in the jungle if the enemy knows how to play her well

SnugglePuggle941 votes

So? A lot of champions are like that but she's not like Zed who can be oppressive even if the guy playing him knows jack shit. Nidalee actually takes skill to play (although Zed takes some, not saying he doesn't have any), but she has a longer range skillshot and you have to know how to combo quickly with her cougar.

Zed? Just shadow in, ult, Q combo whatever, shadow out and you get a kill without fear of dying....[slayer-jinx-unamused]

WadeWilson13371 votes

Zed is similar, however if you pick something nonmeta or a farm to 6 jungler and they pick Nidalee. WOW, its going to be MISERABLE. I did say "if the enemy knows how to play her well". If you watch alot of challenger games, Nidalee is praticallly pick/ban and makes playing anything out of meta impossible because they can just pick her, or Elise.

SnugglePuggle942 votes

Yea I can attest to that. I've gone against good Nid's before.

Veraska1 votes

Warwick,not because he's op or anything I just hate how the wear wolf /lycanthrope champion is tied to a drain tank right click champion, he could be so much cooler if his rework didn't have to cater to his old, terrible, boring design

Rule 341 votes

Lulu

Slamurai Jack1 votes

1 champion? Pantheon 100%. Get this cancerous, no counterplay, no skill required, desperately needs a rework piece of garbage out of here.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

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1 champion? Pantheon 100%. Get this cancerous, no counterplay, no skill required, desperately needs a rework piece of garbage out of here.

Sorry, but, aren't you a Master Yi/Sejuani main?... Not to say they don't require some skill, and experience helps... but the same goes for Pantheon. I mean, his point and click crap and his annoying passive are pretty stupid but... "no skill required" from you just makes me laugh.

Slamurai Jack1 votes

No, I'm a Yasuo main. Don't try to tell me that Yasuo is a no skill champ either unless you want me to know I can just dismiss everything you say immediately.

Shroom Junkie1 votes

You have 14 Yasuo games to Sejuani's 49... You realize you get a new main once you start spamming someone else, right?.. Pretty much what a main is.

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