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New Shaco isnt as bad as everyone thinks.

lolipopevelynn··7 votes·1,811 views

Shaco is my 2nd main and i have also been messing around with all the other reworked assassins on both PBE and live for a little bit. out of all the assassins i have messed around with, shaco felt the best and played the best. the only issue that irritated me with shaco was his boxes not stacking and getting 1 shotted by turrets, but honestly those are nitpicks.

im probably going to get chewed out by other shaco mains and Shaclone fans for saying this, but all you need to do is GET USED TO CHANGE. the new shaco is very dependent on his backstab damage. half of his kit was changed in order to drive this new backstab mechanic. Many people dont understand this and its pretty annoying because everyone is blindly following Shaclones RAGE FILLED video. Again, i know im going to get chewed out by Shaclone fans (even tho im a shaclone fan myself) but his video is just so fucking full of errors. Everything he did, right down to the skill order, was just wrong.

To put this into perspective, he was playing the NEW shaco exactly the same as the OLD shaco. this is a problem most mains have when their champion gets reworked, and i get it, its habit. However you cannot chew out a champion and deem them as useless WITHOUT FIRST trying to play it correctly. That is just stupid. you cant play new kat the same as old kat, it wont work. you cant play the new LB the same as old LB, it wont work. Same goes for shaco, you can not play the new shaco the same way as the old shaco. I cant make this point anymore clear.

If you guys want to say the new shaco is weak after playing him CORRECTLY, then hey thats fine, but i promise you that it wont be NEARLY as bad as shaclone and other hardcore mains makes it seem. With that being said, i am going to try and explain how to play the new shaco and how not to play the new shaco.

How NOT to play the new shaco:

  1. do not waste your Q amp by hitting a target from the front, side, or any place that isnt the back. if you Q in and you hit a target from the front then you have missed out on a large part of Shaco's damage. By doing this it will seem like shaco does "zero damage", which is true, you are doing zero damage because you missed the sweet spot entirely. the other reworked assassins have this "sweet spot", namely LB, fizz, and talon aswell as kha. for fizz its waiting untill his target has bled for 2 seconds then going in, for talon its hitting someone 3 times with abilities then letting them bleed out, for LB its waiting 1.5 seconds to trigger her passive, and for shaco its the backstab.

  2. Do not waste your E on high HP targets. really this seems like a no brainer, but people are still doing it out of habit. its an Execute now, so use it like any other execute unless you are worried the target will get away.

Thats it. that's all you need to not do as shaco.

How to play the new shaco:

  1. read his passive. Im serious, read it, read it again, then read it some more untill you understand it.

  2. read his Q as many times as you read his passive.

  3. read his passive again

  4. MAX Q first. no exceptions. his Q scales very hard into the mid and late game. yes, it last 1.5 seconds, yes it effects his lvl 2 ganks, I know this. However that 4.5 seconds when its maxed is just too good. thats an entire second longer than his old Q. with move speed imagine how much further you can get in that 1 seconds time. That extra 1 second also helps with setting up boxes WHILE STILL STAYING STEALTHED. Big deal. To top it off, it has a shorter CD than before AND it shaves off an additional 2.5 seconds when you hit someone from behind. So if you hit someone from the back with Q his CD goes from 11 seconds to 8.5 seconds WITHOUT CDR. On top of all that his Q scales multiplicative with his passive. Backstabbing is key here.

  5. Buy CDR and buy alot of it. If you followed the first 3 steps then you would know why, but ill say it anyway. His bacstabs CD scales off of CDR. instead of backstabbing once every 3 seconds he can backstab once every 1.6 seconds. thats a very big deal. Another big deal is the fact that his Qs CD gets reduced down to only 3.5 seconds if you can manage to Q someone from behind. that is a VERY short CD on his Q and allows him to escape much easier. im still not sure what is the best way to go for that max CDR, but just get the 45% anyway you can be it through runes/masteries, items, or both. its so important.

  6. Buy IE as a core item. shaco doesnt need to buy crit anymore, but that 50% crit damage from IE boosts his passives damage. yes, this is another thing people miss and dont get. his passive scales with crit damage. Please swallow whatever pride you have and get IE on shaco, its a must buy. i know shaclone wont do it.

And thats really it. all you guys need to do is understand how his new backstab mechanic works and you will find out that the new shaco is not that bad. does he need a few number tweaks here and there? maybe, but he is FAR off from being "useless".

one other thing i want to mention. the changes to his clone are AMAZING. so much easier to get kills with his clone now. The most important change to his clone tho is the fact that it can now attack people while you are dead. i cant see how any shaco main can ignore how good that feels where your clone is actually attacking targets and getting revenge kills while you are dead. AND IT CAN ALSO KILL WARDS NOW TOO.

honestly guys, new shaco is good.

40 Comments

WhaiiSoSerious6 votes

You're clueless if you think current shaco isn't awful. I must say it that brutally honest and rude because it's just the god damn truth. I cannot take people who say " Shaco is alright " seriously and i must assume you don't have much but a hand full of games with him or just blowing air up Riots ass.

Wont get into detail cause I don't care to explain something that's already been explained at least 10 times every few hours.

But one thing is for certain. Shacos jungle got butchered. His early gank/counter potential is non-existant.

If you don't have either one of those things then he's truely a useless champ. So then you must ask yourself. Whats the point of jungling with shaco?

There really isn't one because he doesn't begin to do reliable ganks until level 9 assuming you maxed his q first. By then your opposite team has had several ganks by their JG and you're really hoping your team is winning and if they aren't you're totally screwed cause like most of us know, Shaco is not a late game champ ESPECIALLY if your team is loosing.

Now what would have been an intelligent thing to do was maybe improving his jungling phase because this is really all he has now. Lets not forget that Shaco is forced and required to rush hydra to be a decent jungler. Not an equal jungler as other junglers but a decent one to keep up. This was before this new remake of jg, when it was easier.

So above the hits Shaco's kit took, the jg got buffed in terms of difficulty. Shaco can now only do the blue side of jungle until he's got a hydra.

Is Shaco alright? Are we being dramatic? Nah. The answer is No.

Shaco got butchered and the people who did obviously don't know a thing about Shaco besides what general discussion or bronze level players complain about. Maybe some of the staff played him for a bit but a bit is not enough to make these deicisions.

It takes a long time to master a character like shaco. You don't just play a shaco and automatically good like it's a Zed or a Jax.

People will forget and we will move on but that doesn't justify the nerfs. It will be swept under the rug cause not enough Shaco players nor does It sell enough skins for Riot to pay attention or feed the salty Shaco players, unfortunately.

lolipopevelynn2 votes

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You're clueless if you think current shaco isn't awful. I must say it that brutally honest and rude because it's just the god damn truth. I cannot take people who say " Shaco is alright " seriously and i must assume you don't have much but a hand full of games with him or just blowing air up Riots ass.

Wont get into detail cause I don't care to explain something that's already been explained at least 10 times every few hours.

But one thing is for certain. Shacos jungle got butchered. His early gank/counter potential is non-existant.

If you don't have either one of those things then he's truely a useless champ. So then you must ask yourself. Whats the point of jungling with shaco?

There really isn't one because he doesn't begin to do reliable ganks until level 9 assuming you maxed his q first. By then your opposite team has had several ganks by their JG and you're really hoping your team is winning and if they aren't you're totally screwed cause like most of us know, Shaco is not a late game champ ESPECIALLY if your team is loosing.

Now what would have been an intelligent thing to do was maybe improving his jungling phase because this is really all he has now. Lets not forget that Shaco is forced and required to rush hydra to be a decent jungler. Not an equal jungler as other junglers but a decent one to keep up. This was before this new remake of jg, when it was easier.

So above the hits Shaco's kit took, the jg got buffed in terms of difficulty. Shaco can now only do the blue side of jungle until he's got a hydra.

Is Shaco alright? Are we being dramatic? Nah. The answer is No.

Shaco got butchered and the people who did obviously don't know a thing about Shaco besides what general discussion or bronze level players complain about. Maybe some of the staff played him for a bit but a bit is not enough to make these deicisions.

It takes a long time to master a character like shaco. You don't just play a shaco and automatically good like it's a Zed or a Jax.

People will forget and we will move on but that doesn't justify the nerfs. It will be swept under the rug cause not enough Shaco players nor does It sell enough skins for Riot to pay attention or feed the salty Shaco players, unfortunately.

You ARE being over dramatic. No reliable ganks until level 9? That's bull shit. You only need 4 ranks in his Q and its already better than his old Q. Assuming you are maxing Q first that is level 7, not level 9. At rank 3, which is pre lvl 6, his Q is only .5 seconds off from his old Q.

Its. Not. That. Bad. The only thing this hurts is his lvl 2 and lvl 3 ganks which i already admitted to. Riot has specifically not wanted shaco to have good early ganks for a very long time now. In the history of his nerfs its all been aimed at his early game. Why are you surprised now that his early game was hit again? Atleast THIS TIME his mid and late game was made a lot stronger for the sacrifice.

also, i can do a FULL FIRST CLEAR on shaco and still have about 90% HP (no plants involved). this is obviously without a hydra, Want me to show you how to do it? Saying shaco "can only do blue side jg without hydra" is a ridiculously stupid statement to make.

WhaiiSoSerious3 votes

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You ARE being over dramatic. No reliable ganks until level 9? That's bull shit. You only need 4 ranks in his Q and its already better than his old Q. Assuming you are maxing Q first that is level 7, not level 9. At rank 3, which is pre lvl 6, his Q is only .5 seconds off from his old Q.

Its. Not. That. Bad. The only thing this hurts is his lvl 2 and lvl 3 ganks.

Cool story nerd.

lolipopevelynn2 votes

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Cool story nerd.

Nice bait, just checked and you only have 12 games on shaco for all of season 6.

WhaiiSoSerious3 votes

Cool story nerd.

WhaiiSoSerious3 votes

You got 164k Shaco Champion points and call yourself a Shaco main?

More like a noob to me who thinks he knows how to play Shaco.

I got nearly triple your experience. I'm looking at your Shaco builds and can't help but to cringe.

I remember when i used to do those builds, thats cute. People still using infinity on Shaco lol? Cringe.

lolipopevelynn2 votes

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You got 164k Shaco Champion points and call yourself a Shaco main?

More like a noob to me who thinks he knows how to play Shaco.

I got nearly triple your experience. I'm looking at your Shaco builds and can't help but to cringe.

I remember when i used to do those builds, thats cute. People still using infinity on Shaco lol? Cringe.

i said shaco was my 2nd main, pay attention to my name or atleast read the first 5 words of my post, I know you are a bit slow

WhaiiSoSerious3 votes

So then don't write an entire book about a champ you hardly know. I mean for god sakes you build a IE on Shaco lol.

You completely missed his core item. Your build is total garbage tbh.

Just based on that i'd have to say you have no business saying Shaco is still strong.

I feel stupid for replying and taking you seriously lol. What i should have done first is looked at your games as Shaco and your builds before even replying.

Have a good day sir!

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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So then don't write an entire book about a champ you hardly know. I mean for god sakes you build a IE on Shaco lol.

You completely missed his core item. Your build is total garbage tbh.

Just based on that i'd have to say you have no business saying Shaco is still strong.

I feel stupid for replying and taking you seriously lol. What i should have done first is looked at your games as Shaco and your builds before even replying.

Have a good day sir!

You replied because you are a troll and baiting. We already established that and it was further confirmed by the fact that you didn't even read the first 5 words of my post. You are also equating champion mastery points with fucking knowledge.

We get it, you are a l33ttopkekhehexdTroll. Good job.

FYI, i didnt even give a build. But you wouldn't know that since you didn't read anything Ive said, so just letting you know so you won't look anymore stupid.

WhaiiSoSerious3 votes

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You replied because you are a troll and baiting. We already established that and it was further confirmed by the fact that you didn't even read the first 5 words of my post.

We get it, you are a l33ttopkekhehexdTroll. Good job.

FYI, i didnt even give a build. But you wouldn't know that since you didn't read anything Ive said, so just letting you know so you won't look anymore stupid.

Omg so much cringe.

You keep saying im slow or im stupid but your the only one who looks stupid based on just these few posts.

Did it occur to you that I searched your name in LoLking.com?

And im slow? Gee Gee ...

Maybe you should stop insulting me about something you clearly are having issues with. Just saying...

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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Omg so much cringe.

You keep saying im slow or im stupid but your the only one who looks stupid based on just these few posts.

Did it occur to you that I searched your name in LoLking.com?

And im slow? Gee Gee ...

Maybe you should stop insulting me about something you clearly are having issues with. Just saying...

you insult me on on the first post you make in this thread and then can't take it when I called you slow, I bet you voted trump

WhaiiSoSerious3 votes

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you insult me on on the first post you make in this thread and then can't take it because I called you slow, I bet you voted trump

It's not that I can't take it. It's that you say the dumbest shit ever and then say in the same paragraph that im slow lol.

Bro, you aren't bright enough to be using stupid as an insult. Just read what you post. It's cringe worthy. You say " i never posted a build so how would you know what i build " but in a previous post you made it clear that you went through my profiles by saying " you only played 16 games the entire season" What i was wondering was how it didn't occur to you that I used the same technique you used to figure out what builds you're using on Shaco lol.

How is that not one of the dumbest things?

Then you reply again with

" You are also equating champion mastery points with fucking knowledge. "

lol. I mean.. come on...

YES mastery points = knowledge with that particular character. It means ive been playing it far more than you have which means I'm bound to know more about the character than you do.

I would never claim i'm a better eve player than you are because CLEARLY based on your mastery points you've got much more experience and are bound to know the small tricks and routes and all the minor stuff that makes you a much better player than the masses.

That is logical.

Just let it go.

Don't care what you think about Shaco anymore. But based on my personal experience. He isn't balanced compared to the rest of the champions in this game.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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It's not that I can't take it. It's that you say the dumbest shit ever and then say in the same paragraph that im slow lol.

Bro, you aren't bright enough to be using stupid as an insult. Just read what you post. It's cringe worthy. You say " i never posted a build so how would you know what i build " but in a previous post you made it clear that you went through my profiles by saying " you only played 16 games the entire season" What i was wondering was how it didn't occur to you that I used the same technique you used to figure out what builds you're using on Shaco lol.

How is that not one of the dumbest things?

Then you reply again with

" You are also equating champion mastery points with fucking knowledge. "

lol. I mean.. come on...

YES mastery points = knowledge with that particular character. It means ive been playing it far more than you have which means I'm bound to know more about the character than you do.

I would never claim i'm a better eve player than you are because CLEARLY based on your mastery points you've got much more experience and are bound to know the small tricks and routes and all the minor stuff that makes you a much better player than the masses.

That is logical.

Just let it go.

Don't care what you think about Shaco anymore. But based on my personal experience. He isn't balanced compared to the rest of the champions in this game.

Ive stoped reading and caring what you say long ago troll

WhaiiSoSerious3 votes

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Ive stoped reading and caring what you say long ago troll

Good because you're clueless.

WhaiiSoSerious3 votes

"You are also equating champion mastery points with fucking knowledge. "

This is a joke or nah?

You think a MMA fighter just get's into the ring after 2 weeks of training? Why do you think people go to school for 12+ years? For fun? How stupid would it be for me to give a speech about mars @ nasa after reading a book of mars for 1 hour?

Do you understand how ridiculous that comment is?

This is you trolling. I'm done.

PornstarShaco694 votes

Your not even a shaco main, everyone knows he is trash now. Get off Riots crotch and stop pretending like he is remotely useful compared to all the other assassins.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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Your not even a shaco main, everyone knows he is trash now. Get off Riots crotch and stop pretending like he is remotely useful compared to all the other assassins.

No, I'm not a shaco main. Yet I have more games played on shaco than you do despite you being a "shaco main".

So what is your point?

PornstarShaco691 votes

I have 213k master you have 164k you crotch riding pile of trash. I also played won many ranked games playing AD shaco and Ap shaco with multiple build paths. How about you look up facts before spouting bullshit out of your mouth?

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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I have 213k master you have 164k you crotch riding pile of trash. I also played won many ranked games playing AD shaco and Ap shaco with multiple build paths. How about you look up facts before spouting bullshit out of your mouth?

good job, you have 213k mastery points on your gold tier main. Meanwhile I have 365k mastery points on my main, so 213k isn't even impressive to begin with.

also I did check facts, I have more games played on shaco than you do. the fact that you use mastery points as a indication of skill and knowledge is baffling. as a matter of FACT, I have near DOUBLE games played on shaco than you do and he isnt even my main. Please get out of here with that BS lol.

A Basic Island5 votes

TLDR: Shaco was already weak and it was difficult to get the same effect out of shaco as anyone else

now you can still do it, it's just way harder.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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TLDR: Shaco was already weak and it was difficult to get the same effect out of shaco as anyone else

now you can still do it, it's just way harder.

id appreciate if you read. Its not at all hard to backstab someone, not even in the slightest. and 1k Q backstab crits is not "weak"

zacktootall4 votes

then simplify it. if you want people to read then don't give us a wall o text

A Basic Island3 votes

i did read alot of it

i never said it was hard to backstab someone

if you were to read what i said, i said shaco pre nerf already had to try a little harder to be as effective anyone else, now he has to try even harder, which is true regardless of how easy it is to backstab someone

Are you actually going to deny going from 3.5 second invis on a rank 1 q to whatever is now doesn't make it harder to backstab someone at any stage in the game?

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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i did read alot of it

i never said it was hard to backstab someone

if you were to read what i said, i said shaco pre nerf already had to try a little harder to be as effective anyone else, now he has to try even harder, which is true regardless of how easy it is to backstab someone

Are you actually going to deny going from 3.5 second invis on a rank 1 q to whatever is now doesn't make it harder to backstab someone at any stage in the game?

its 1.5 second at rank 1. At max rank its 4.5 seconds. 4.5 seconds makes it EASIER, not harder. That's why I said to max Q first...

A Basic Island4 votes

LOL yeah when it already doesn't matter who you picked. Nobody cares that Q got "buffed" at rank 5 when he can't do anything at rank 1

Re-read what i said and look at the "rank 1" portion of the comment

i can see you don't even actually play shaco, have tried him once, and was like "guys i got a kill he's not bad"

TequilaZombie6 votes

Dude, there is no denying that his damage got reduced. He was shaved from 25% to 37% damage (depending on the build) across the entire game. His early is really crappy now, his mid is worse - specially because it's much harder to get fed -, and his late is just as bad as it's always have been.

There were many times in which I'd be decently fed, 2 levels ahead of the squishy bot lane support, find him alone at 60%-30% hp and have a fuck load of trouble to kill him.

Currently, there is no reason to pick Shaco over any other assassin.

lolipopevelynn1 votes

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Dude, there is no denying that his damage got reduced. He was shaved from 25% to 37% damage (depending on the build) across the entire game. His early is really crappy now, his mid is worse - specially because it's much harder to get fed -, and his late is just as bad as it's always have been.

There were many times in which I'd be decently fed, 2 levels ahead of the squishy bot lane support, find him alone at 60%-30% hp and have a fuck load of trouble to kill him.

Currently, there is no reason to pick Shaco over any other assassin.

Where are you getting those innacurate numbers from? just blindly following people with bad math on the forums or....? He basically has his old Q built into his passive and it hits every 1.6 seconds. That adds up to more DPS over time. People are just upset that the initial burst is lower, but his overall damage is higher if you do the math....

Full AD he crits for 195% damage every 1.6 seconds without having to build a single crit item aside from IE.

TequilaZombie4 votes

Where are you getting those innacurate numbers from? just blindly following people with bad math on the forums or....?

The numbers came from an excel table I had for testing out Shaco builds. I've converted it to compare the old one to the new one. The damage difference is there and it's big. I've always worked with numbers since graduation. Right now, I take care of finaces. I'm pretty sure I can mess around with numbers as simple as the ones used in League. If you want to see a detailed exposition, wait for my Shaco Mega Post coming Soon (tm). There will be a huge wall of text dedicated to only numbers right at it's beggining. You will be more than welcome to discuss them there.

He basically has his old Q built into his passive and it hits every 1.6 seconds.

Except it's a way weaker version. At level 18, it's only 5% stronger than his old rank 1 Q. I believe it reaches 140% (the same as old rank 1 Q) at level 14, give or take a level. Even with IE, it's much weaker than a regular crit.

Also the "hits every 1.6 seconds" part is bullshit with anything less than 45% CDR. Hitting the CDR cap implies giving up on free mixed Pen from masteries, which is an amazing point investment for Shaco, as he deals mixed damage. Apart from that, hitting 45% CDR is a heavy compromise when it comes to build flexibility.

That adds up to more DPS over time. People are just upset that the initial burst is lower, but his overall damage is higher if you do the math....

Shaco is an assassin. He's not a melee carry (OG term. Riot probably named them differently) as Trynd, Yi, Old Fiora or Old GP. Shaco does not gives a single fuck about DPS. He's an assassin. Assassins care about burst. If he can't burst down his target, he's gonna die for nothing, as DPS wise, most ADCs have strong enough steroids that are not as situational as his backstab to outduel him.

If the goal of the changes was to turn him into a squishy melee DPS champion, they were flawed from the very beggining. This concept has proven to be way too hard for Riot to balance time and time again.

Full AD he crits for 195% damage [at level 18] every 1.6 seconds without having to build a single crit item aside from IE [but having to cap CDR].

Old Shaco: Full AD he crits for 324% [ (220% + 50%) * 1,2 -- just in case you're wondering from where the number came from] damage starting at level 9 (but usually 13) at the start of every engage without having to build a single crit item aside from IE.

Fun fact: Even with IE. his backstab crits are weaker than a natural crit unless he's packing crit dmg runes. But then, those same runes are avaible for everyone.

EcchiOtakuTM4 votes

The issue is AD shaco was lowered in damage, there's really nothing to cry over since that's easy to buff anyways.

As for stealth they just need to make it 2 seconds from level 1 then scale to 4.5 at level 18 and that's fixed for their issue of stealth gap closers

zacktootall2 votes

your right its not bad its a nightmare to face

Kr1sys1 votes

I would actually argue that ap is just as good if not better than ad now. His scalings and utility makes him a deceptively strong initiatior.

You're maxing Q which doesn't really favor ad or ap, and then you can max W for fear duration and box damage over E which has terrible base damage and so-so rank scaling. The only thing you miss out is his ability to clear camps when you don't go tiamat, but I don't think that it's that good of an item or something you rush this season so far.

Ap benefits by not falling off mid game like AD will and since they essentially removed his early game strength you can't hit the mid game wall.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

You only put 2 points into Q before level 5 or 4 then max E, E does more damage than Q with a better CD

Kr1sys2 votes

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You only put 2 points into Q before level 5 or 4 then max E, E does more damage than Q with a better CD

Not if you're wanting to gank. Old duration was 3.5, New duration takes 4 to exceed what we used to have, and 3.5 seconds wasn't always long enough to close that gap.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

Still with proper decision making you can manage with 2 seconds early instead of forcing something.

And we can't make it too high early cause stealth gap closers are an issue for balance anyways.

WhaiiSoSerious1 votes

TLDR: I'm an idiot and only play Shaco 3 times and hes gud

lolipopevelynn1 votes

A "natural crit" is 200% of normal. He his new passive with IE is only 5% off that mark. Old shaco could only get a guaranteed crit if he was coming out of Q, now he gets it every backstab.

basically, aslong as he is backstabbing, he is critting every other AA with CDR. Riot has a history of not giving full damage to a champion that gets free crits like that. (yasuo, ash, etc)

ive had no problems assassinating anyone as shaco. I can do a full first clear of the jg and still have high enough HP to pull off a gank with a rank 2 Q.

IamNut1 votes

No many people agree with you. It seems you are almost the only one thinking that he is not worse.

PornstarShaco69

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Shaco is my 2nd main and i have also been messing around with all the other reworked assassins on both PBE and live for a little bit. out of all the assassins i have messed around with, shaco felt the best and played the best. the only issue that irritated me with shaco was his boxes not stacking and getting 1 shotted by turrets, but honestly those are nitpicks.

im probably going to get chewed out by other shaco mains and Shaclone fans for saying this, but all you need to do is GET USED TO CHANGE. the new shaco is very dependent on his backstab damage. half of his kit was changed in order to drive this new backstab mechanic. Many people dont understand this and its pretty annoying because everyone is blindly following Shaclones RAGE FILLED video. Again, i know im going to get chewed out by Shaclone fans (even tho im a shaclone fan myself) but his video is just so fucking full of errors. Everything he did, right down to the skill order, was just wrong.

To put this into perspective, he was playing the NEW shaco exactly the same as the OLD shaco. this is a problem most mains have when their champion gets reworked, and i get it, its habit. However you cannot chew out a champion and deem them as useless WITHOUT FIRST trying to play it correctly. That is just stupid. you cant play new kat the same as old kat, it wont work. you cant play the new LB the same as old LB, it wont work. Same goes for shaco, you can not play the new shaco the same way as the old shaco. I cant make this point anymore clear.

If you guys want to say the new shaco is weak after playing him CORRECTLY, then hey thats fine, but i promise you that it wont be NEARLY as bad as shaclone and other hardcore mains makes it seem. With that being said, i am going to try and explain how to play the new shaco and how not to play the new shaco.

How NOT to play the new shaco:

  1. do not waste your Q amp by hitting a target from the front, side, or any place that isnt the back. if you Q in and you hit a target from the front then you have missed out on a large part of Shaco's damage. By doing this it will seem like shaco does "zero damage", which is true, you are doing zero damage because you missed the sweet spot entirely. the other reworked assassins have this "sweet spot", namely LB, fizz, and talon aswell as kha. for fizz its waiting untill his target has bled for 2 seconds then going in, for talon its hitting someone 3 times with abilities then letting them bleed out, for LB its waiting 1.5 seconds to trigger her passive, and for shaco its the backstab.

  2. Do not waste your E on high HP targets. really this seems like a no brainer, but people are still doing it out of habit. its an Execute now, so use it like any other execute unless you are worried the target will get away.

Thats it. that's all you need to not do as shaco.

How to play the new shaco:

  1. read his passive. Im serious, read it, read it again, then read it some more untill you understand it.

  2. read his Q as many times as you read his passive.

  3. read his passive again

  4. MAX Q first. no exceptions. his Q scales very hard into the mid and late game. yes, it last 1.5 seconds, yes it effects his lvl 2 ganks, I know this. However that 4.5 seconds when its maxed is just too good. thats an entire second longer than his old Q. with move speed imagine how much further you can get in that 1 seconds time. That extra 1 second also helps with setting up boxes WHILE STILL STAYING STEALTHED. Big deal. To top it off, it has a shorter CD than before AND it shaves off an additional 2.5 seconds when you hit someone from behind. So if you hit someone from the back with Q his CD goes from 11 seconds to 8.5 seconds WITHOUT CDR. On top of all that his Q scales multiplicative with his passive. Backstabbing is key here.

  5. Buy CDR and buy alot of it. If you followed the first 3 steps then you would know why, but ill say it anyway. His bacstabs CD scales off of CDR. instead of backstabbing once every 3 seconds he can backstab once every 1.6 seconds. thats a very big deal. Another big deal is the fact that his Qs CD gets reduced down to only 3.5 seconds if you can manage to Q someone from behind. that is a VERY short CD on his Q and allows him to escape much easier. im still not sure what is the best way to go for that max CDR, but just get the 45% anyway you can be it through runes/masteries, items, or both. its so important.

  6. Buy IE as a core item. shaco doesnt need to buy crit anymore, but that 50% crit damage from IE boosts his passives damage. yes, this is another thing people miss and dont get. his passive scales with crit damage. Please swallow whatever pride you have and get IE on shaco, its a must buy. i know shaclone wont do it.

And thats really it. all you guys need to do is understand how his new backstab mechanic works and you will find out that the new shaco is not that bad. does he need a few number tweaks here and there? maybe, but he is FAR off from being "useless".

one other thing i want to mention. the changes to his clone are AMAZING. so much easier to get kills with his clone now. The most important change to his clone tho is the fact that it can now attack people while you are dead. i cant see how any shaco main can ignore how good that feels where your clone is actually attacking targets and getting revenge kills while you are dead. AND IT CAN ALSO KILL WARDS NOW TOO.

honestly guys, new shaco is good.

PornstarShaco693 votes

As a Shaco main since season 2 he is really weak right now, you get out damaged by every other assassin and his ap build is weaker. I like the whole idea of his Q ability rework but its his E ability that isn't holding up. If left his E along he would be doing fine but now he is trash, if riot doesn't do something to help him be a real assassin like he used to I am probably gonna find a new game.

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