Who is Stashu?
I've been gone for a while now, just coming back. Why are they so disliked,...?
Pardon my ignorance, trying to catch up on info.
I've been gone for a while now, just coming back. Why are they so disliked,...?
Pardon my ignorance, trying to catch up on info.
no one really wanted or expected a cassiopeia rework
cass rework hits PBE
it's a disaster. no one likes it, it doesn't feel like cassiopeia, it's impossible to win games while using her, there are huge bugs that cut her damage by like 20%.
the very first time any red speaks about the rework on any forum is one thread that stashu started on the PBE forum LESS THAN 24 HOURS BEFORE THE CASS REWORK IS HITTING THE LIVE SERVER.
people point out that this thing is fucking terrible as much as they can in the short time window they have before it goes live
it goes live
it's fucking terrible
in the threads that follow stashu gives a couple canned "well we want to be sure" and "people have to get used to her" responses while it's obvious that she is completely useless (second lowest winrate in the game, only above azir who was also bugged to shit at the time)
then stashu goes radio fucking silent for two god damn weeks while cassiopeia still is shitting the bed, then releases a half assed update in a patch that fixed the bug (woops lol turned out she was literally unplayable) and gave her a stupidly small mana buff when her kit was fundamentally flawed
she still does poorly, people still don't like the kit, she is all but literally unplayable thanks to that bug fix
TIME FOR WORLDS WE CAN'T WORK WHILE WORLDS IS GOING ON LOL
TIME FOR PRESEASON PATCH WE CAN'T BALANCE CHAMPIONS DURING PRESEASON PATCH LOL
finally, the very first fucking sticky appears where they take feedback on what people think of cassiopeia (TWO FUCKING MONTHS AFTER THE REWORK) and riot realizes that people don't like the passive, the passive doesn't make sense, her early game is too shit, and her late game isn't good enough to justify all her weaknesses and start to put some changes together to make her better.
stashu submits the changes!
wait why aren't they on the pbe
whoops stashu did it wrong sorrry guyyyys we have to wait another full patch cycle
so right now, cassiopeia is somewhat approaching something that players feel like might actually be cassiopeia in 4.21 FIVE MOTHER FUCKING PATCHES SINCE THE REWORK CAME OUT CASSIOPEIA HAS HIT A STAGE THAT SEEMS APPROPRIATE FOR THE SECOND DRAFT OF SOMETHING BARELY WORTHY OF THE PBE
SHURIMA EVENT GREAT SUCCESS EAT SHIT AND DIE
Stashu was given his first project lead position with the task of reworking Cassiopeia. Unfortunately, he made some newbie mistakes when balancing her new skill kit. As a result, she was broken/unplayable during Worlds until they got back 2 months later and had time to pick up the pieces and fix her. The rework is closer to fine now, but Stashu has been catching flak for repeatedly not understanding things about balance that more experienced project leads tend to know.
Stashu is no CertainlyT, but he's ok. Don't listen to the haters, just read between the lines.
Did you ever like Cassiopeia? If so, this is the guy to hate for totally fucking her up in the most retarded way imaginable.
A few Cass player who are salty that Stashu decided to stop making Cass do only Q dmg in lane, instead, decided to go the old design that Cass was meant to have. Spamming both q and e. They so salty that despite the fact that she is pretty broken, they won't admit it because she is not all poison Mage now
Lol lol
Stashu is the guy who reworked Cassiopeia. To worse, if I may add. And without much of a warning either.
While I do agree that such a radical change was uncalled for, I still think Stashu can fix it. Cass players and him need to f*cking speak with each other to decide what they want to make of Cassiopeia, and Stashu needs to gather a few long date highish elo Cass mains to help him, so most people become happy.
Or we can always change her back to her previous kit but let her keep her new quotes.
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Cass players and him need to f*cking speak with each other to decide what they want to make of Cassiopeia.
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The last two posters are soo arrogant. I wanted a Cass rework because pre-rework Cass had too many issues; when it hit PBE, quite a lot of diamond players said it was good. A lot of people liked the idea of a rework, they DIDN"T like where it headed initially, but they liked the IDEA of a rework.
So yeah, she had a lot of issues. Her E detection, her passive being useless and old fashioned. Her mana problems, and viability in game.
Now, I feel like Cass is much better, more viable, more solid because along with the rework, they fixed her ult/e/and passive.
Yes, I am a Cass main. I've played her more than most people so I find it very laughable people telling me she was known for her poison. No, she was always known for being able to straight up burn people through Twin Fangs. She used to be able to be picked in mid lane because she was a bully who can use E to trade. By season 3, Zed and other strong mid laners made Cass into more of a non-bully than ever before. All of a sudden, players started maxing only Q in lane because they weren't bullies any more, rather getting bullied
So no! Cass was never a Q maxer, always a E spammer. It was the meta that deformed her design. She was design to apply Q to use E; this reworked made her to what she used to be
Rework fixed her -Passive -Twin Fang poison detection -Made her becomes more of a trading Q+E in lane, instead of spamming only Q -Fixed mana issue with E. now she can farm with it easily -Fixed Ult hit box -Spell Vamp! Something she really needed considering she plays like a AP ADC -Gave her a late game, something she didn't have, nor a early game
BUT HEY WHAT DO I KNOW. It's not like not only her winrate AND pickrate improved, but there are only a few people complaining now. GEE i wonder why
EDIT: yes, she still needs some fixing but ultimately, she is in a better state than pre-rework
Stashu is literally the worst designer I have ever seen, beyond even Morello and CertainlyT. It's not just that he produced the worst rework to date (and considering how intentionally terrible most reworks are, that's saying something) and has since handled it incredibly poorly, but his posts on design matters smack of a complete lack of understanding of what he's talking about. They are so transparently idiotic that I am convinced he was not actually hired to be a designer, but to intentionally troll the player base.
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The last two posters are soo arrogant. I wanted a Cass rework because pre-rework Cass had too many issues; when it hit PBE, quite a lot of diamond players said it was good. A lot of people liked the idea of a rework, they DIDN"T like where it headed initially, but they liked the IDEA of a rework.
So yeah, she had a lot of issues. Her E detection, her passive being useless and old fashioned. Her mana problems, and viability in game.
Now, I feel like Cass is much better, more viable, more solid because along with the rework, they fixed her ult/e/and passive.
Yes, I am a Cass main. I've played her more than most people so I find it very laughable people telling me she was known for her poison. No, she was always known for being able to straight up burn people through Twin Fangs. She used to be able to be picked in mid lane because she was a bully who can use E to trade. By season 3, Zed and other strong mid laners made Cass into more of a non-bully than ever before. All of a sudden, players started maxing only Q in lane because they weren't bullies any more, rather getting bullied
So no! Cass was never a Q maxer, always a E spammer. It was the meta that deformed her design. She was design to apply Q to use E; this reworked made her to what she used to be
Rework fixed her -Passive -Twin Fang poison detection -Made her becomes more of a trading Q+E in lane, instead of spamming only Q -Fixed mana issue with E. now she can farm with it easily -Fixed Ult hit box -Spell Vamp! Something she really needed considering she plays like a AP ADC -Gave her a late game, something she didn't have, nor a early game
BUT HEY WHAT DO I KNOW. It's not like not only her winrate AND pickrate improved, but there are only a few people complaining now. GEE i wonder why
EDIT: yes, she still needs some fixing but ultimately, she is in a better state than pre-rework
You could not be more wrong about everything in your post aside from literal bug fixes if you tried. Sadly Riot is below even your level of critical thinking and analytical ability.