first off vaynes passive is one of the main things that makes vayne so fucking busted. Move speed towards enemy champions means she can just endlessly chase you down meaning that any fight is always in her favor.
Secondly if vayne wants to get out she can condem and tumble the opposite direction
third when vayne wants to act cool and pretend to outplay you she ults and GOES FUCKING INVISIBLE. What the serious fuck is this shit?
Eedat21 votesWhy the hell is vayne such a safe champion
First off vaynes passive is one of the main things that makes vayne so fucking busted. Move speed towards enemy champions
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how is running at enemy champs "safe"?
TehNACHO13 votesShh. Let the boy complain, he's had a rough day.
Knalxz1 votesIt's safe if there's also an enemy chasing after the Vayne like a Conga line of death.
Moonfall Saber1 votesBecause she can very easily chace you as well as Tumble condenm you away read the whole context
TehNACHO1 votesA very rough day.
Elohaven9 votesShe's not even as safe as other ADCs. The whole point of her kit is to run at you in close range but not lose and die. She's meant to be in your face to deal damage and has the same range as Teemo.
Vayne's passive doesn't even make her busted. Movement speed to run at enemies is for positioning - not chasing. It also has a very short range. She has less peel than Tristana and is hardly as safe as Caitlyn, Lucian, or Jinx.
And her stealth is so she's useful with her close range unlike Twitch.
Only issue is she kills squishies and tanks too perfectly when she should only kill tanks.
TL;DR - This post is just a venting one with no analysis on what Vayne actually is or what safe truly means.
The Minion hunt8 votesagree, but she always and still has the shortest range of almost every adc, meaning she has to get close to her target, meaning cc and damage together can almost always kill her, but with a good shield that is now unlikely.
Nutsmacko8 votesI never got why people say Vayne has a short auto attack range. Her range (550) is the most common range of ranged champions in the game, with other adcs with 550 range being Corki, Draven, Ezreal, Jhin, Kalista, Miss Fortune, and Twitch. Hell, there's a few adcs with lower range than that (525 on Jinx, Quinn, and Xayah; Sivir at 500; Kindred at 500 and Graves at 425 if you count them as adcs) The only adcs with longer ranges are Ashe (600), Caitlyn (650), and Tristana at any level past level 1.
Edit: I got all the information from the wiki page on Range http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Range
NemeBro7 votesI never got why people say Vayne has a short auto attack range.
They don't, they say she is the shortest ranged ADC in general, because she has no way to threaten you outside of that 550 range. Every other ADC does.
Nutsmacko6 votesSure but that doesn't mean her kit should be as overloaded with safely as it is now. For example Jhin has the same auto range as Vayne, but for having his W and R have the range that they do, he trades a targeted knockback+potential stun, a dash, and invisibility on said dash during ult for a channeled rooting skillshot that you have to auto or use E traps for, a slow on said E traps, and some movement speed if he crits on his auto. Not to mention Vayne does more damage than a Jhin in almost any scenario
NemeBro7 votesSure but that doesn't mean her kit should be as overloaded with safely as it is now. For example Jhin has the same auto range as Vayne, but for having his W and R have the range that they do, he trades a targeted knockback+potential stun, a dash, and invisibility on said dash during ult for a channeled rooting skillshot that you have to auto or use E traps for, a slow on said E traps, and some movement speed if he crits on his auto. Not to mention Vayne does more damage than a Jhin in almost any scenario
There is no but, you were wrong and now you're moving the goalposts.
Jhin is also safer than Vayne most of the time, since unlike her he can contribute to a team fight from thousands of units away.
Oh, and stop being disingenuous. His W can be used if his allies damage enemies as well, giving him great follow-up on picks.
Vayne does less burst than Jhin, Vayne does more sustained damage, and, if he's good, has far better laning than she does. Bot lane heavily favors Vayne at the moment and she's spiking too early so she's queen right now, but Jhin kit-wise has more safety and versatility than Vayne does.
TehNACHO5 votesCan't help but feel like this is a completely different topic than NemeBro is calling out.
Anyways, Jhin doesn't need a knock back or invisibility or a dash if he's over a thousand units away from the fight. You know what scenario when Vayne can't outdamage Jhin? 1000 units away from the fight.
Or 600 units for that matter but I realize "Vayne and short range and bla bla bla" shoots right over your head. Like Jhin's bullets and range potential, I assume.
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesI never got why people say Vayne has a short auto attack range
Because you dont know what range really means.
SymbolicFear2 votesIncorrect, vayne has more than Lucian for one, and the same amount of range as MOST adcs.
Skorch5 votesWoah dude, this guy has near INFINITE sustain on his Q added with his mana potential on Passive makes it so he NEVER has to back. An attackspeed AND MOVESPEED STEROID on W, A permaslow on E, And an R that can oneshot ANYONE in an AOE, AND it slows so you cant even escape it.
Stating a champions abilities, especially only the positive parts of their abilities. =/= A gameplay discussion. There is no discussion of context, current strength, mechanics or anything of the sort.
This post is just an upvote farming, circlejerk, disgrace of a post.
Bjørnetjenesten1 votesYeah its actually so disgusting, it has become funny now.
Summonah123694 votesI honestly find Jinx to be the best adc. But that's mostly just my opinion because i main her.
AirKingNeo1 votesJinx is the worst ADC right now.
Summonah123692 votesWhatever, that's YOUR opinion.
AirKingNeo1 votesNo, it's a fact. She is statistically the worst ADC.
Summonah123692 votesKeep telling yourself that.
Project omen4 votesIs this the Vayne champion spotlight? I'm confused. You're literally just describing her abilities.
heroikc3 votesYeah, personally I draw the line at the % health true damage...but now that you mention it, her kiting potential is a bit obscene compared to most marksmen.
The Minion hunt5 votesmany champs deal much more true damage then vayne btw, Cho, Camille, Zoe, Ahri.
vgamedude2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Minion hunt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WFdMXn8H,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:20:41.455+0000)
many champs deal much more true damage then vayne btw, Cho, Camille, Zoe, Ahri.
None of those will do more damage in a game than a Vayne. Put zoe or ahri up against a tank and see how much they do versus vayne.
The Minion hunt2 votesI main Camille, for one she can deal 1000 true damage about every 4 seconds (late game), with a relatively tanky build, and ahri does a lot more true damage then u think, and I'm pretty sure cho tops the charts, if he can land his ult. you realise 10% of 2000, is 200, and that every third attack.
vgamedude1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Minion hunt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WFdMXn8H,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:25:18.453+0000)
I main Camille, for one she can deal 1000 true damage about every 4 seconds (late game), with a relatively tanky build, and ahri does a lot more true damage then u think, and I'm pretty sure cho tops the charts, if he can land his ult. you realise 10% of 2000, is 200, and that every third attack.
Dude you're talking about these windows of damage versus an auto attacking adc with hard sustain, and just constant damage. There is no way they are going to beat a vaynes damage to champions in a game, especially the melees or burst mages.
The Minion hunt1 votes
that's not the problem thought.
and I'm saying either is the true damage.
its all of her damage combined, bonus ad on q, r, bonus damage on w, + invisibility.
I said she was a strong, I just argue against the amount of true damage, isn't as much as u think.
vgamedude1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Minion hunt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WFdMXn8H,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:46:36.579+0000)
It's not about vaynes true damage alone it's about her doing way more damage than the champions you listed.
The Minion hunt1 votesyes and being hard to kill, do to ult and tumble.
Daddy Ants3 votes[{quoted}](name=The Minion hunt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WFdMXn8H,comment-id=000300000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:46:36.579+0000)
Vayne's True damage according to champion.gg is 17% of her damage.
But let's be realistic now, That 17% includes Mountain Drakes, Red Buffs and any Elder Dragon's she gets.
So it's probably closer to 10% of her damage.
Jesus the boards are such a circlejerk shitfest. I can honestly make a thread right now calling vayne the anti christ and these plebs will flock to upvote it like that will solve all their problems.
Im not gonna beat around the bush, Vayne is too strong right now, but this shitpost spamming is why Riot will never take the boards seriously. A single target 550 range adc with one knockback is not a safe champion.
I guess that means aurelion sol is the safest, he can fly across the map with his E and his ult KNOCKBACKS! Not to mention his passive move speed! And worse of all his passive surrounds him in damaging orbs, damaging anyone who dares get in his range! And dont get me started on his giant never ending scaling stun! Op i tell you!
Oh man that 20 second cooldown knockback that eats 30% of her mana.
And that's only because ahri has more room to do damage and poke with her spells one of which is aoe. Vaynes damage out shines ahris by miles once she has items.
http://champion.gg/champion/Vayne/ADC 17.29% of damage dealt is true. http://champion.gg/champion/Ahri/Middle 25.68% of damage dealt is true. http://champion.gg/champion/Camille/Top 19.49% of damage dealt is true. http://champion.gg/champion/Chogath/Top 20.23% of damage dealt is true. http://champion.gg/champion/Fiora/Top 23.85% of damage dealt is true. http://champion.gg/champion/Irelia/Top 17.85% of damage dealt is true.
Out of all the champions I listed Vayne actually does the LEAST amount of True damage per game.
Moonfall Saber1 votesbut vayne will deal more damage per game and true damage contributes to it
heroikc2 votes[{quoted}](name=The Minion hunt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WFdMXn8H,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:20:41.455+0000)
many champs deal much more true damage then vayne btw, Cho, Camille, Zoe, Ahri.
Two of them can be dodged and two can be kited. Vayne would just chase, tumble and shoot until you lose, no matter what you have. Chasing her is equally a risk given, as I've said, her greater kiting potential with stealth, condemn and tumble.
The Minion hunt1 votesvayne can be kited if you have the right comp, pulling her into your front line, I don't think she isn't strong or slightly op. but true damage alone isn't the problem with her is her entire kit together.
heroikc1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Minion hunt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WFdMXn8H,comment-id=0003000000010000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:54:13.331+0000)
vayne can be kited if you have the right comp, pulling her into your front line, I don't think she isn't strong or slightly op. but true damage alone isn't the problem with her is her entire kit together.
Yeah; hard cc, spammable tumble that boosts next attack, true damage, movement speed passive for chasing, and an ult that just boosts everything and gives tumble stealth...
StairCasexd6 votes[{quoted}](name=The Minion hunt,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WFdMXn8H,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2018-01-21T01:20:41.455+0000)
many champs deal much more true damage then vayne btw, Cho, Camille, Zoe, Ahri.
Ahri. Lol...
NemeBro4 votesAhri. Lol...
Ahri deals more damage in the average game than Vayne does, and a considerably larger portion of her damage is true damage, statistically speaking.
StairCasexd1 votesAhri deals more damage in the average game than Vayne does, and a considerably larger portion of her damage is true damage, statistically speaking.
And that's only because ahri has more room to do damage and poke with her spells one of which is aoe. Vaynes damage out shines ahris by miles once she has items.
NemeBro2 votesAnd that's only because ahri has more room to do damage and poke with her spells one of which is aoe. Vaynes damage out shines ahris by miles once she has items.
So do you people think that having longer range and the ability to spam poke is a weakness or something?
There is no but, Ahri having more opportunities to do damage just explains why she does more damage on average than Vayne, it doesn't refute the statement that she does. Yes, Vayne has far higher consistent damage than Ahri does within her much more limited threat zone, but having a smaller threat zone isn't an advantage. It's a weakness.
T4underbolt1 votesVayne doesn't need to have high damage at end game stats. She 2 shots squishes. She has assassin's capabilities while having sustained damage.
NemeBro1 votesVayne doesn't need to have high damage at end game stats. She 2 shots squishes. She has assassin's capabilities while having sustained damage.
She has burst and DPS?
She is hardly alone in that regard. Some of these champions have lower burst, DPS, or both than Vayne, some have one higher, and a few like Yi have both higher burst and DPS, but all are capable of putting out sustained damage while bursting hard. I probably missed a few.
T4underbolt1 votesAkali meele range sustain from passive on cooldowns and item based. I had success to counter her using grevious wounds. Aurelion sol is nowhere near burst unless fed to oblivion which at this point every champ would burst. Azores is currently still too strong in lane. He gets ahead too easily but he is still more towards sustained damage. Cait is example out of your butt. Camille burst is only one ability that needs certain setup and to actually burst she has to be ahead a lot. Corki od a mistake considering the rework and needs to be reverted. Diana needs to choose between sustained DMG and survavibility or oneshoted potential and being squishy. Draven is just dumb. He needs some tunning down.I could talk about all the champs but only few of them are really same as vayne in regard of DPS and burst and they are problematic and need a change. Rest is fine.
Elohaven1 votesEntire point of Vayne is to excel as a duelist and have great outplay potential like Yasuo, Katarina, or Fiora.
She's not as safe as Tristana or Caitlyn.
heroikc1 votesEntire point of Vayne is to excel as a duelist and have great outplay potential like Yasuo, Katarina, or Fiora.
She's not as safe as Tristana or Caitlyn.
And yet she has greater damage potential than either...and better outplay potential, too.
Elohaven1 votesYasuo is not as safe as Brand but has greater damage and outplay potential.
So does Kat So does Kassadin
JackMcSnipeyz3 votesJesus the boards are such a circlejerk shitfest. I can honestly make a thread right now calling vayne the anti christ and these plebs will flock to upvote it like that will solve all their problems.
Im not gonna beat around the bush, Vayne is too strong right now, but this shitpost spamming is why Riot will never take the boards seriously. A single target 550 range adc with one knockback is not a safe champion.
I guess that means aurelion sol is the safest, he can fly across the map with his E and his ult KNOCKBACKS! Not to mention his passive move speed! And worse of all his passive surrounds him in damaging orbs, damaging anyone who dares get in his range! And dont get me started on his giant never ending scaling stun! Op i tell you!
Bjørnetjenesten3 votesShe is not safe, she has 37.5 % winrate in Pro Scene. She is way too easy to shut down, and she remains useless even in lategame. They would rather play trash tier Caitlyn than "OP" Vayne. If Bronzies just learned to land/chain their cc and abuse her low range, she would not have this winrate.
But hey, keep up the Vayne salt threads, Still better entertainment than NA LCS. [slayer-jinx-catface]
Danjeng3 votesThis comment section sickens me. How dare people call out OP for circlejerking. How dare they try to explain in a reasonable tone that while Vayne may be overpowered, she still has a short range and isn't safe. Disgusting.