The altered pacing in League, easier&more accessible Jungling, and strengthening of the Support role has collectively invalidated some of what we came to know as the Windows of Power for our Champions; thus removing opportunity / isolating our options as Solo Laners and therein providing an overall less fun experience!
The whole purpose of queuing up alone has for years been to hone or express one’s personal skill.
greekvandaL12 votesThere is no personal skill anymore because you are not actually allowed to solo carry unless the rest of the lanes win. Back in the good day i could pick graves get a single early kill and then regardless of my teams performance i could solocarry. Now i can go 6-0 on Darius and feel weaker than a 0-0 adc
Çhåryzård1 votes[{quoted}](name=toxicity creep,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEqwocAI,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-02-12T11:10:20.983+0000)
There is no personal skill anymore because you are not actually allowed to solo carry unless the rest of the lanes win. Back in the good day i could pick graves get a single early kill and then regardless of my teams performance i could solocarry. Now i can go 6-0 on Darius and feel weaker than a 0-0 adc
Wrong. Just play
or 
I've seen every single one still solo carry a game this season. Only those champs tho
LitoJ1 votesWrong. Just play
I've seen every single one still solo carry a game this season. Only those champs tho
What happens when you don't enjoy playing any of those champions though?
Çhåryzård1 votesWhat happens when you don't enjoy playing any of those champions though?
I dunno, you're screwed I guess [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
That's my point though.
I'm a botlane (supp and adc) main, I don't play those champs, I can't solo carry a game. I can win my lane, but that doesn't mean shit if the enemy jungle is just "better", or if another lane feeds. I have to "have faith" that the rest of my team won't suck because winning my lane ultimately doesn't do anything, especially when my enemy adc who is 0/8 gets fed anyways later in the game.
PokladnicaZla3 votesTo be fair as LoL is a mutiplayer game,one player easily carrying a whole team that feed thier ass of is a bit dumb.Same as one team losing just because one player didn't do well. A single person deciding the end of a game shouldn't be a thing.A team should as strong as it's weakest player. You cant complain I did amazingly,but my team did meh,why can't I solo carry? Myb because you won your lane,but the other 4 enemies did as well? It's 1 player vs 4 that did good.
Hellsaw1 votesTo be fair as LoL is a mutiplayer game,one player easily carrying a whole team that feed of is a bit dumb.Same as one team losing just because one player didn't do well. A single person deciding the end of a game shouldn't be a thing.A team should as strong as it's weakest player. You cant complain I did amazingly,but my team did meh,why can't I solo carry? Myb because you one your lane,but the others 4 enemies did well? It's 1 player vs 4 that did good.
Then why is there rank? if you can't carry or influence the game by yourself rank should just be a flipped coin, heads your team win tails they lose.
Anu3isII1 votesIf you play badly you bring down your team's performance, and if you do well, your team is more likely to win. Your performance does affect your chances to win and, in the long run, establish your rank.
And while everyone dreams about the "perfect" Solo Queue, where only your personal performance is measured, the truth is that cooperation is as important in this game. No one will achieve their best performance without understanding how to use the resources of their team.
If you do great and ignore your team, don't expect your opponent to do the same. That is a common mistake most mid laners make when I play Twisted Fate. They zone me, try to bully all game long, while I suddenly roam to other lanes and smash their allies. One player may get ahead with some minions, having a good performance, but his/her allies get really behind because of the lack of coordination.
TS Media1 votesTo be fair, if there's another capable person on the other team, then it balances out. If I can out macro and outplay my opponents then I shouldn't have to be held down due to the fact my team has no macro play, doesn't listen and have less overall skill. That's not to say it should be possible to do so EVERY game, but this is pretty cancerous that I can't win through my own performance alone now. I'm currently stuck doing my plat promos for the 6th fucking time because riot decides to make these games insanely difficult through the various degrees of self-implicating solo carrying.
I can't be aggressive early game at the risk of being ganked lvl 2 while I'm lvl 1, or lvl 3 while I'm lvl 2. I can't worry much about my lane because even if I win and absolutely dumpster my laner, if the rest of my team isn't up to par, I lose. Split pushing is no longer a viable strategy. People rotate way too quickly due to all the bs movement speed buffs. People with dashes can barely escape immobiles running at you because of all the movement speed in the game.
Steel Blossom4 votesSupports are the issue. People complain about ADCs, but when I'm playing an assassin I'm never stumped by just the ADC. It's the 
and everyone else who got buffed way back in the support update thing. No exaggeration at all, but I've honestly seen ADCs with shield bars bigger than their actual health bar on wayyy more than one occasion. In ANY season, any meta, bursting through that would be impossible.
Funkin Dunkin7 votesI'm not sure if I agree with that post. Assassins are still able to do what they are supposed to do they just can't recklessly charge in 1 v all anymore to get that solo AD kill then escape. They've been forced to play a team role and when they do they still do it very well amongst all the confusion.
Steel Blossom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Funkin Dunkin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEqwocAI,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2018-02-12T16:57:03.340+0000)
I'm not sure if I agree with that post. Assassins are still able to do what they are supposed to do they just can't recklessly charge in 1 v all anymore to get that solo AD kill then escape. They've been forced to play a team role and when they do they still do it very well amongst all the confusion.
I don't need to escape. I just need to be able to deal my damage without being stopped.
Funkin Dunkin1 votesDo you see the problem with that statement? "I just need [the tanks to not do their job] to deal my damage".
That is their role. They aren't AP mage supports who try to delete team members, they are utility support who's sole purpose is to prevent you from doing that. It'd be like asking Riot to remove Blitz's hook because it moves you into the enemy team.
Steel Blossom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Funkin Dunkin,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEqwocAI,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2018-02-13T15:14:10.895+0000)
Do you see the problem with that statement? "I just need [the tanks to not do their job] to deal my damage".
That is their role. They aren't AP mage supports who try to delete team members, they are utility support who's sole purpose is to prevent you from doing that. It'd be like asking Riot to remove Blitz's hook because it moves you into the enemy team.
...Well, Talon's role was to kill people, just like it was a support's role to keep people alive. Didn't stop Riot from completely destroying him, did it?
Häxel1 votesI throw in 
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and questionmark . Also i don't know if is such a huge problem.
Steel Blossom1 votesI throw in
I just randomly picked champions off the top of my head lol, basically just (insert peeling/shielding champion here) kind of a deal.
no to toxic1 votesUsing Ivern as an example to shut down your own argument before anyone can refute it. Good job on that.
Partholonian3 votes[{quoted}](name=Steel Blossom,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEqwocAI,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2018-02-12T13:41:09.350+0000)
Supports are the issue. People complain about ADCs, but when I'm playing an assassin I'm never stumped by just the ADC. It's the
So, you're trying to 1v2, failing, and blaming Riot? Do you think you should be rewarded for picking a fight 1v2?
P.S. Fiddlesticks doesn't have any shields. Although his silence probably would be a bitch. In a 1v2. If you catch support Fid alone, you can just wait out the silence and then rip him apart, because he's not going to be dealing ADC damage to you the whole time.
ampheon1 votesI believe the problem people have is that enchanter supports never leave their adcs, since the ADCs are the have the highest sustained damage, and are the squishiest ranged champions, unless either the ADC requires no peel due to how strong they are, or that the adc doesn't meet the support's standards so they leave them for a while.
Assasins and most other melee classes don't get the same treatment because the enchanter supports can be easily blown up if at that range (except Taric and Tank Karma) and assassins are usually looking to get in and out of a fight as soon as possible, leaving the support defenseless. Juggernaughts can benefit from a heal and shield support, since Juggernaughts usually need help getting to the enemy or help surviving the initial burst of damage (depending on juggernaught). So enchanters will just go back to their ADCs since they're the most valuable (or will start protecting a mage instead, if the ADC is unavailable).
Steel Blossom1 votesSo, you're trying to 1v2, failing, and blaming Riot? Do you think you should be rewarded for picking a fight 1v2?
P.S. Fiddlesticks doesn't have any shields. Although his silence probably would be a bitch. In a 1v2. If you catch support Fid alone, you can just wait out the silence and then rip him apart, because he's not going to be dealing ADC damage to you the whole time.
Lmfao, why would there ever be anything other than a "1v2"? What's a support gonna do, run around the map and carry his team with vision with the 3 ward limit? Go take Scuttle on his own? Solo drag? Win a fight against anybody with the shit that supports build these days? Don't make me laugh.
The days of supports having a role bigger than protecting the ADC is long gone, and so are the chances of catching any decent ADC on his own. Face the fact, lol.
Avios13 votesMy oh my, it's been a long time since I've heard of the Windows of Power...
I definitely agree.
Velzard of Koz3 votesTruly radical opinion that hasn't already been expressed in 20 different forms when people keep complaining about game pace, jungle's influence and support's influence over months now.
Evil Bisex Plant2 votes[{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WEqwocAI,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2018-02-12T16:49:28.891+0000)
Truly radical opinion that hasn't already been expressed in 20 different forms when people keep complaining about game pace, jungle's influence and support's influence over months now.
The radical thing is that OP actually uses capital letters which Boards are too stupid to usually do.
Anatera2 votesIsn't the damage directly tied to pacing?
Linna Excel2 votesSome of it is.
SwiftKitten881 votes... im tried of this "supports are the issue" crap supports are NOT even REMOTELY the issue
i mean sure there are certain supports who are busted like .
ADC damage is the issue.
damage overall is the issue, the issue is ADC damage is the highest of all and it's just sustained burst
sustained> tank > burst > sustained
but adc have "sustained burst" sustained burst > every fucking thing
that's the issue.
you go play assassin that isn't 
, go get fed, and see how many times you can be fed catch an adc spotlighting out all alone with no support, hide in a bush wait for the perfect moment to strike and then go and and watch said adc stand still and auto you can kill you even you can even get your full combo off...
becuase that has has happened NUMEROUS times.
so dont give me shit about it being "support"
when the support is half a screen away and the adc is out all alone they still freaking op... but according to you guys its still the "supports"
use your god damn brain for once in your life... stop being baised becuase your a fucking adc main and look at the issue.
i play an assassin.. do u dont i cant tell which fucking asssains are broken, i play a tank.. do u think i dont know what tanks are broken?
i play support and mid... do u not fucking know i can still see which out the classes i play are broken?
is broken.. any moron can see that
shadow is busted
is busted
has been busted since release becuase of his abilites to save allies affect by any form of cc, making it so if you cc them tahms saves them.. if you cc tahm he takes forever to kill and they other person kills you, yetno one one seemed to notice until now
but i find it hard to belive you can look at the state of adc itemzation and not say it makes adc's broken...
i mean sure when i say "adc's are broken" i mean their broken because of adc items.. but because the adc' skills and damage ratios are broking them.. (save for a few cases)
and to end this... you dont think i can see exactly how much more damage my main does with the new runes alone. my main is still trash compared to other champs . (at least until next patch when AP itemization is fixed). but i can see my damage go up crazy amounts.
how is it YOU can not see your own class damage go up. I'll tell you why... because you DO see it, but you're baised so you turn a blind eye to it because you want to be "OP".
Iffy Jarl1 votesI feel like it's the supps job to shutdown enemies plays with cc, shields healing etc. now that supps are seeing some actual game difference people don't like it and want it to go back to the irrelevant ward clearing it once was
