Can Ziggs get some sort of buff/rework?

LegacyDAP·Feb 8, 2016·16 votes·1,974 views

I honestly think he's in a bad position (when it comes to how much he's played especially), and would like to see some ability changes like Caitlyn level or even less than that. I just don't think he's very good, and probably deserved to be in one of the mage updates.

Alright I thought it was just me, I honestly thought I'd get down votes, because I'm not a huge Ziggs fanatic, but I rarely see him, and when I play him he's very unreliable. I honestly think he should be more centered around bombs (as weird as that sounds) I feel like he should have mines, and maybe his ult should get CDR based on how leveled it is, since the CDR was nerfed a while back, and his ult is pretty unreliable also.

17 Comments

GregoRFeb 9, 201610 votes

At the beginning of season 5 I had the #1 most games played on Ziggs in the US. When I hit around G1 - P5 rank I feel he really started to fall off, his Q's hit box is extremely small after the nerf and can be outplayed extremely easy. The one plus for me on ziggs is I normally have around 180+ cs at 20 mins. I Since then I switched over to Xerath, which I feel is extremely similar to Ziggs but not as easily out played. Now being a diamond player, I don't even consider playing Ziggs in ranked. I would like them to find a middle ground to Ziggs Q from how it was to how it is now.

XeroKimoFeb 9, 20161 votes

I think it'd be hard to find a middle ground for ziggs' Q, I mean pre area nerf, the area of effect for max range Q were like at the edge of each other's range per bounce making it tough to dodge. Now with the nerf there's a small area you can stand between the bomb's bounces to dodge, and since the AoE was also nerfed, it's harder to hit the bomb overall which makes it really hard to hit it.

Pre nerf Q, he was a huge lane bully, even to the point where being under tower is also not much of a safe zone

Now it's just really hard to hit it

The Bearded BardFeb 9, 20162 votes

He got hit with too many nerfs all at once. His ult is on a laughably high cool down for how easy it is to dodge at even point blank range, Q hits hard but is damn near impossible not to dodge, W is great but the cool down should be lower at higher levels. Should get a new passive that doesn't involve getting within range of people to use.

God of BagelsFeb 9, 20162 votes

Maybe make his Q able to detonate an have a higher AOE so you could have room for error on throws. Throw it close a champ and detonate. Direct hits do more damage and detonated hits do less.

Mael broFeb 9, 20162 votes

I still remember how overpowered and brainless he was during Season 4. But since Riot is considering buffing brainless champions like Akali and XinZhao , we might as well add Ziggs to that list.

LaughingStaplerFeb 8, 20161 votes

He has a small buff on the PBE for his ult.. His biggest problem is just how unreliable the bombs are.

Remlap1223Feb 9, 20164 votes

Honestly, it's not that. It's the fact that his ultimate doesn't scale in CDR. That's what killed him. Until he gets it scaled back like literally every other champion in the game, he's going to stay bad.

God of BagelsFeb 9, 20161 votes

He is going to be OP though if it does.

Remlap1223Feb 9, 20161 votes

So every other champion in the game must be OP then, since all their ultimate's cooldowns are reduced per level. No, seriously, Ziggs is the only champion in the game that doesn't.

If it proves too much, nerf the damage to minions.

God of BagelsFeb 9, 20161 votes

Nerf the damage to minions and it really hurts the ultimate.

AbyssphereFeb 9, 20162 votes

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He is going to be OP though if it does.

They could easily find a happy middle between the old CD and the current one. It used to be 120/105/90, now it's 120 at all levels. Even 120/115/110 would be an improvement.

63536895_DELFeb 9, 20161 votes

The nerf to his ultimage's CD that he got a long while ago really fucked him.

Slack KingFeb 9, 20161 votes

Dont you dare touch my fkn ziggs

HavenscytheFeb 9, 20161 votes

Need to give his bombs a range indicator for how far they will go. They've delayed on that long enough. Also if they made his Q increase in size or damage the more bounces it does that would be nice. His ult is pretty unreliable too and only has uses in tight teamfights, otherwise you can always run out of it even if he uses at point black range. Maybe buff the speed of his ult based on range.

RiviniFeb 9, 20161 votes

Riot doesn't want Ziggs to become competitively viable again.

Why?

His biggest strength is wave clear. All he does for most of the match is clear waves and prevent the enemy team from being able to push. That doesn't make for exciting LCS plays. The only "exciting" thing Ziggs has is his ult, but otherwise he's boring to watch. It quickly gets old and tiring seeing the bouncing bomb every few seconds.

On the other hand, Zed, Lee Sin, Thresh, and so on create flashy plays much more often, even without their ults. Therefore, they will always remain more powerful than they need to be and as a result be competitively viable. They are the ones Riot want to show off to the world, not the boring minion farmers. Same reason why they nerfed Nasus after he was being picked in the LCS.

MKDkillaFeb 9, 20161 votes

Almost all immobile mages are going to be useless in a meta like this.

Most of their items were not only nerfed but are now also expensive as shit, and these champions have already been nerfed and kept in the same state for years.

Hell, AP burst mages in general don't really do shit anymore. They take way longer to scale, and unless they're already fed, they become useless as shit.

The only good immobile mages will remain to be the ones who can provide a shit ton of utility (Ori, Lulu, now Zilean is being added). Just look at recent pro matches.

AP is such an easy stat to build around that it just becomes useless now.

A buff to AP items in general, that shitheads like Elise or Nidalee won't be able to abuse will lift a majority of these champions off the gutter IMO.