I think a nerf is warranted. Last I checked (about 5 minutes ago on Surrender@20), Kog is not getting any nerfs. I know it's not the only indicator of how strong a champion is, but it certainly means something. If a Rioter could respond and at least say if he's on the radar, that would be awesome!
RiotRiot Sotere9 votesHe's on the radar, but changes are going to be aimed at 6.8.
ArlanKels7 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAjFaPzR,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-03-31T01:42:25.516+0000)
He's on the radar, but changes are going to be aimed at 6.8.
Otherwise known as the "Fabulous" patch. Right? right? :P
RottedApples1 votesno no, we have to put that off until 6.9
ArlanKels2 votesno no, we have to put that off until 6.9
ABlueQuaker5 votesCan we please go back to Kog being an R Sheen Proc spammer like Corki? That was a much healthier gameplay pattern than press W then spray and pray.
It honestly gets to the point that you go 'screw stutter stepping and mechanics I'm better off just shift-clicking and letting auto-attack do the rest'.
ArlanKels2 votes[{quoted}](name=A Blue Quaker,realm=OCE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAjFaPzR,comment-id=00040001,timestamp=2016-03-31T12:51:26.044+0000)
Can we please go back to Kog being an R Sheen Proc spammer like Corki? That was a much healthier gameplay pattern than press W then spray and pray.
It honestly gets to the point that you go 'screw stutter stepping and mechanics I'm better off just shift-clicking and letting auto-attack do the rest'.
Didn't he at one point, primarily toward the start of his lifespan, serve more as an AP super long range caster/suppression?
ABlueQuaker1 votesAP Kog has gone in and out of viability since release and that gameplay was probably just as unhealthy as the bs we're dealing with now.
Probably his most balanced state was when people were building 
Gnart Even Close1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAjFaPzR,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-03-31T01:42:25.516+0000)
He's on the radar, but changes are going to be aimed at 6.8.
alright. thanks for responding!
SOMalphas1 votesIs his AP play style going to be looked at? I know that it was never his main role, but a lot of people miss playing him as a mid lane poke mage, which he's pretty mediocre at since the rework.
zecastar1 votes[{quoted}](name=Riot Sotere,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAjFaPzR,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-03-31T01:42:25.516+0000)
He's on the radar, but changes are going to be aimed at 6.8.
I hope winrate won't be the primary determinant of whether he needs to be nerfed or not. After the rework, he just became the Amumu of ADCs. His skillfloor is extremely low compared to before since kiting is less of a factor and Runaan's also reduces the importance of target selection. Even bad positioning isn't THAT punishing because as long as he gets off his W, he'll still have contributed a lot to the fight and his passive packs a punch too. If he lives, it's nice but not a huge deal since by the time his W would be up again, the fight is already decided.
I think the main reason behind his winrate (which is actually quite a bit lower in Korea) is poor comps not designed to deal with a Kog, his extremely low skillfloor post-rework and his low pick rate (Twitch actually has a higher winrate in KR but he isn't considered OP.). Every team in competitive has at one point or another run a Kog comp but he is almost never picked these days and that suggests that he isn't an objectively strong pick. He is just quite good if you are mindless vs him (not baiting W, not drafting much enage/displacement)/not flanking/split-pushing much... just running straight at him etc. So before you nerf a champion completely out of competitive (he's already a very low priority for an ADC compared to Sivir, Ezreal, Lucian, Ashe etc.), think about tweaking him instead.
Make him less of a W bot and give him back the versatility he had pre-rework at the expense of some W damage. I'd love for the ult. to be useful as poke again or his Q to matter more. Right now, he feels like an ADC version of Cass. where his entire kit is basically one skill. In any case, balance decisions should be based on how champions perform when played optimally not based on DQ winrates.
lildyo6 votesInexperienced players (1-5 games on him) are sitting at a 54% winrate with Kog'Maw, while experienced Kog'Maw players are sitting at a 61% winrate with him. That's pretty ridiculous.
DGFeliax1 votesI have 10+ games with Kog and my winrate is less than 10%. Sure Kog is op when he gets Guinsoo and BotRK but he's practically useless until then.
Quepha4 votesI knew the W changes made him stronger but everyone assumed it was a nerf because champion.gg took their entire 6.5 sample during the short period where a bug was dramatically reducing his on-hit damage.
xl Kirito lx2 votesOr, they could nerf the item.
Ashen Rider2 votesGuinsoo's is pretty OP on everybody that can use it, so I like this idea. Except that it would hurt Kayle, who I love.
Subject 52 votes"This champion is winning almost an entire 7 percent more games than other champions."
Kog'Maw has to pretty much sit still to apply his damage. With no mobility. And no self peel.
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Winrate whores are annoying af.
AlwaysByMySide5 votes[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAjFaPzR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-31T01:06:53.300+0000)
"This champion is winning almost an entire 7 percent more games than other champions."
Kog'Maw has to pretty much sit still to apply his damage. With no mobility. And no self peel.
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Winrate whores are annoying af.
I'd bet money that Kog'maw is probably over two standard deviations above average (I'm not gonna calculate that though, too much work), which is another way of saying that he's an outlier, which is another way of saying that, taking into account win rate alone, he's much stronger than the other ADCs, which is another way of saying he's overpowered and needs a nerf to his numbers or his itemization.
Also, lol at the idea that just because Kog'maw theoretically has counterplay that he's fine.
Abyssphere9 votes[{quoted}](name=Subject 5,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=WAjFaPzR,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-03-31T01:06:53.300+0000)
"This champion is winning almost an entire 7 percent more games than other champions."
Kog'Maw has to pretty much sit still to apply his damage. With no mobility. And no self peel.
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Winrate whores are annoying af.
Because Kog's weaknesses aren't taken into account in his win rate...?
LaughingMan112 votesHonestly, Kog -needs- his team to peel for him, if you get past his front line, he's almost instantly dead. If that 56% goes across all ELOs (which i'm under the assumption that it does) you really gotta figure in the bronzie's - G5 (the boosted ones) who have no idea what focus is.
AlwaysByMySide3 votesHonestly, Kog -needs- his team to peel for him, if you get past his front line, he's almost instantly dead. If that 56% goes across all ELOs (which i'm under the assumption that it does) you really gotta figure in the bronzie's - G5 (the boosted ones) who have no idea what focus is.
It only factors in platinum and higher.
Kog'maw probably needs nerfs.
LaughingMan112 votesWoo! Learned somthing today! Honestly, I dont use those sights much so I'll fully admit i have no idea what they use. If it is Plat+ then yeah, Kog probably needs an adjustment some where.
Sire Hippington1 votesThe very same scrubs that have no idea what focus is also have no idea what peeling is. As a aresult, either pelling for kog and positioning isn't as imprtant than properly focusing him, so it's on his opponents to outplay him and niot on kog and his team to play correctly, or they balance each other out so his winrate at lower elos isn't much different from higher elos. Kogmaw is just horribly designed at this point, once he farmed up his two core items, you could prettymuch take a person that never played lol befor and he could do well with a few simple instructions. In teamights, it all kog needs to do is press W and then shift-click. Thats it. Sure, getting the Q on the tank and sinpeing some people with the ult can come in handy, but just w+aa is enough for him to warrant all and absolute focus from the opposing team, while he easily can aford an item like steraks as third buy that makes focusing him down rather hard, and he has 4 teammembers that in theory either punish you when you focus all on kog, or keep kog save.
The problem is that there is little skill linked to his power, it's all on his opponents to outplay him and then on his allies to prevent them from doing so, while the kog him self does next to nothing besides existing.
J E B A ł T E D2 votesThe last nerf they gave him meant almost nothing. his kit needs a rework. Again.
Maybe they should just revert him to the way he was back in his glory days.
Rebonack2 votesRiot really screwed the pooch on Kog.
At this point they should just give him a full VGU.
Jubilee Phoenix1 votesI'm mane they buffed him his win rate shuold be high.
