Zyra rising to almost 55% wr with this patch
Can we do something riot games?
Get this filth out of bot lane.
Can we do something riot games?
Get this filth out of bot lane.
Mages are not balanced, they are so weak and need buffs in fact.
Trust me, I'm ingenier.
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Mages are not balanced, they are so weak and need buffs in fact.
Trust me, I'm ingenier.
I really hope you're trolling.
Can't point out that mages are strong, or you perish.
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Can't point out that mages are strong, or you perish.
Pretty much this is how i picture mage players.
Did you say something about us?!!
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Can we do something riot games?
Get this filth out of bot lane.
You are looking at the wrong data. At Plat+, an experienced (200+ games) zyra player has only 49.25% winrate while an average experienced support has 51.35% winrate. If you can't dodge her skillshot (which is not hard to dodge compared to, say, morgana W), well, you are really supposed to lose.
Gotta dodge that black shield [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Compared to Morgs Q its barely slower (1200 vs 1150) and passes through minions. And its pretty wide, kinda hard to miss if its aimed center and the target isn't at max range.
I'm not saying I agree Zyra is OP, shes pretty easy to kill and has no actual support power. She needs to get fed to do well and that's less likely the higher you go
Gotta dodge that black shield [zombie-brand-facepalm]
Compared to Morgs Q its barely slower (1200 vs 1150) and passes through minions. And its pretty wide, kinda hard to miss if its aimed center and the target isn't at max range.
I'm not saying I agree Zyra is OP, shes pretty easy to kill and has no actual support power. She needs to get fed to do well and that's less likely the higher you go
You forget to take into account that morgana Q has 2 seconds root while zyra E has only 1 second, when both at level 1. Also, if you have tried to play both champions you would notice that morgana Q has a much smoother animation which makes it more sneaky and more difficult to dodge.
Also, given that it is almost impossible to dodge morgana W in lane, morgana would have triggered manaflow enough times to have enough mana to spam Q. For zyra, plant attacks no longer triggers manaflow, and the mana nerf... zyra is in constant mana hunger at early stages now.
You forget to take into account that morgana Q has 2 seconds root while zyra E has only 1 second, when both at level 1. Also, if you have tried to play both champions you would notice that morgana Q has a much smoother animation which makes it more sneaky and more difficult to dodge.
Also, given that it is almost impossible to dodge morgana W in lane, morgana would have triggered manaflow enough times to have enough mana to spam Q. For zyra, plant attacks no longer triggers manaflow, and the mana nerf... zyra is in constant mana hunger at early stages now.
You forgot to mention zyra's root goes through minions while morg's cant and zyra's root can root multiple people while morg's can only root the first target hit. Also zyras root can trigger her plants while morg's root is just a root. I think you can add 1 second on her root for that,
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You forgot to mention zyra's root goes through minions while morg's cant and zyra's root can root multiple people while morg's can only root the first target hit. Also zyras root can trigger her plants while morg's root is just a root. I think you can add 1 second on her root for that,
morg root followed by a W does more damage than plants... Look at the winrate please. Experienced (200+ games) zyra players have 49% winrate at plat+ while experienced morgana players have 52.3% winrate
morg root followed by a W does more damage than plants... Look at the winrate please. Experienced (200+ games) zyra players have 49% winrate at plat+ while experienced morgana players have 52.3% winrate
If you're gonna bring up winrate then isnt the winrate of people who dont know how to play the champion more important to showing which champion is stronger just by numbers alone. And just as a side note im not one to think winrates decide anything because winrates have a ton of other factors involved such as hyper carries do alot better with morg than with zyra due to her spell shield granting immunity to cc where as zyra has to be that carry and can usually do it from the support position if played well just with her dps alone.
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If you're gonna bring up winrate then isnt the winrate of people who dont know how to play the champion more important to showing which champion is stronger just by numbers alone. And just as a side note im not one to think winrates decide anything because winrates have a ton of other factors involved such as hyper carries do alot better with morg than with zyra due to her spell shield granting immunity to cc where as zyra has to be that carry and can usually do it from the support position if played well just with her dps alone.
My logic is simple: Balance means balance in serious ranked plays, not casual having fun games. And if you aren't even familiar with your champion or enemy champion, then there is no "balance". It's all about luckiness or randomness. Only when both sides understand the champion enough and can cast/dodge skillshots in a reasonable way, we can start talking about balance (otherwise, we would always observe that skillshots are "stronger" than those skills that always hit)
zyra is really supposed to be a lane bully and a dps. She lacks mobility, has no survive skills and is easy to get killed by any assassin. Therefore, when damage of zyra is nerfed to the same or lower level than average champion, she becomes completely useless. If riot wants to nerf zyra's early laning power, no problem, give zyra some late game power or survival power. For example: How about spawning plants when zyra uses ult? How about making plants last longer and hurt more at very late game?
BTW: A lot of people are complaining about zyra plants harass. But zyra W has 36 seconds full CD... If zyra uses her two W seeds and misses the harass, she will be vulnerable for 36 seconds. This is almost the cd of lux ult. No one is complaining about lux ult overpowered?
I'm not saying I agree Zyra is OP, shes pretty easy to kill and has no actual support power. She needs to get fed to do well and that's less likely the higher you go
"No actual support power?" As in her snare (hard CC), her melee plants (soft CC), her plants in general (zoning), and her R (hard CC, zoning)? She's got a LOT of support power. It's not targeted at her allies, but you don't have to target your allies in order to provide utility to the lane.
You dont know zyra.. she is strong against weak players.
I agree about zyra but win rate is too early to determine at the moment. Wait a few more days for a larger sample size.
I can tell she is a real thorn in your side OP.
Btw I did not -1 you.
Didn't she get a nerf on her base damage for her plants?
HUGE nerf. 24-12%, depending on level.
She hasn't got any buffs. The Win rate debate is being purely driven by adjustments to player preferences, and other champs being adjusted.
Bronze league Zyra win rate by patch, according to champion.gg which analyzed over two million games this patch.
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Bronze league Zyra win rate by patch, according to champion.gg which analyzed over two million games this patch.
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Also, this post is 25 days old.
Check out EXPERIENCED zyra winrate at bronze vs morgana zyra: 44 morgana: 56