Giving Riven mana ?

Resources. They don't exist so that champs 'have something to manage', they are there purely because designers want certain champs to play a certain way.

Did designers intend for you to spam the shit out of powerful spells mid-late game, but not want you to be a lane bully? You get mana.

Did designers not want for you to be able to itemize for increased spell spam via cdr/mana/mana regen, but also don't want you to run out of mana in lane? You get energy.

Did designers want you to spam spells literally whenever you find an opportunity where it makes sense to, with the desire to have you be limited in some other way such as damage, cooldowns, or squishiness while being melee? You get 'no resource'.

Did designers want you to be super aggressive and make you weaker when you aren't being aggressive while also never running out of mana? You get rage.

Did designers want you to carefully balance your ability rotations to optimize damage with a significant risk for over spamming, without running out of mana? You get heat.

Did designers want you to be constantly on the move, spamming skills and dashing around, while being vulnerable if you ever stop moving, and without worrying about mana because you need to spam constantly to survive? You get flow.

Etc.

It's not about how 'fair it is' for one champ to have mana and another champ to have energy/fury/rage/heat/no resource. It's about how the designers want the champion to play.

Lux has long cds and mana because she has the longest range of almost any champion and would bully everyone in lane otherwise - and she's not intended to be a lane bully.

Renekton is intended to be a lane bully, so he uses no mana and in fact gets stronger specifically by pushing lane.

Zed has energy because he would be worthless mid against any ranged champions as a melee squishy if he went oom from using shadows and shurikens to farm, but they also want him to only be able to assassinate one person late game before running out of resources.

Katarina has no resource because her entire kit is designed around being useless unless she can start resetting her skills and going on a reset spree - and running oom when her time finally comes to shine would be dumb on top of her shitty lane phase as a melee with low damage, high cooldown skills and an interuptable point blank ult.

Riven's laning phase is ass. Pretty much all juggernauts and other guys (Irelia/Gnar) can do really well against her.

She's literally never a problem unless she gets fed and I haven't seen a Riven actually take off in 100+ games.

This has been suggested time and time again. Mana wouldn't help solve the current issues, but instead create new ones

it would help by reducing her sustain:

• she wouldn't be able to spam her abilities with no down side
• would somewhat condition her mobility (as practically everything gives her a dash to poke/engage/escape)
• would require investment in mana.

if it isn't mana, then some kind of conditioning or resource.

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Did designers intend for you to spam the shit out of powerful spells mid-late game, but not want you to be a lane bully? You get mana.

gets to do both, that's why mana would at least help making her less of a lane bully, she is powerful all game long.

Giving Riven mana ? Would at least somewhat help laning vs her.

I'm not sure you'd be solving any problems with that change, just creating new ones. It would heavily confuse her build path and make have obvious appeal.

Which is kind of an awkward direction to push when you consider each hit of Broken Wings does less damage than an auto-attack at rank 1 and then with ~225 AD, and at her heart Riven is essentially an auto-attacker that has a Tiamat + minor dash steroid over something more boring/back-door encouraging like Yi's AD or AS steroids, or counter-build Q_Qing like the true damage on Vayne or Fiora.

It's much better to think of Broken Wings as a manaless AA steroid akin to the ones you can find on several champions rather than an ability nuke.

Also - auto-attackes themselves are manaless, which is worth pointing out in the case of manaless champions.

Beyond that - I don't see why Riven's strong lanning phase is a problem. There are clearly strong late-game champions in LoL. There aren't a lot of strong early game champions in LoL. The best way around that issue is more solid early-game champions rather than only allowing late-game champions to excel.

The general shtick of a Fighter is they're strong in a 1v1 fight, where most champions (mages, tanks, marksman, supports) are stronger in a team-fight than alone. It makes sense for a tank/support/mage/marksman to have a weak early and strong lane, as that naturally resonates with early being about 1v1 lanes and late being about team-fights.

It makes very little sense in the case of a fighter like Riven though - why bother picking a strong 1v1 champion if they're garbage early because of a reliance on item scaling?

Layer minion and tower aggro giving ranged champions a substantial edge in lanning, and it really begs the question why even bother with a fighter that's weak early a strong late.

She would either run out of mana quickly and easily fall behind, or it wouldn't have any negative impact on her.

do you really want riven to be capable of building muramana