So....I know 10 bans might come out. But what if both sides banned 10 marksman?
... time to practice urgot or ADC malzahar right...
... time to practice urgot or ADC malzahar right...
Lets see...
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That's 17 conventional adcs assuming I didn't skip anyone. That leaves room for all 10 bans to target adc's, and to have some of them to be played mid/top/jg, and still have traditional choices available. Now sure, with 10 bans people in theory will need to have pretty broad pools for their role if both sides are on board with that sort of thing, but it's extremely unlikely that that's going to be the case.
edit: Forgot
so 18.
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That's 17 conventional adcs assuming I didn't skip anyone. That leaves room for all 10 bans to target adc's, and to have some of them to be played mid/top/jg, and still have traditional choices available. Now sure, with 10 bans people in theory will need to have pretty broad pools for their role if both sides are on board with that sort of thing, but it's extremely unlikely that that's going to be the case.
Yeah, I know its unlikely. But nothing is quite predictable in this game, like ever. The adcs you marked out 4 has like a massive winrate drop, so well you are left with only 3 viable ones. So I think we should just stay safe and keep the risks off.
Winrates are frequently based on the relative strength of their role counterparts, versus the champions themselves being inherently weak. If the top 10 adc's are off the table, then using the 11th best adc is going to be fine, since they're more likely to win than the 12-17th best adcs.
Also, teams aren't going to ban their own adc out. If they see all the adcs disappearing, they'll leave up whatever their own adc is comfortable playing and pick it early.
And lets not forget that it's not set in stone that their will be 10 bans, and even if there are that it'll be 5 bans and 5 bans and then picks. Some talk has happened around alternative pick/ban approaches where some bans might happen after some picks have already taken place, so their might be some interesting pick/ban strategies coming from that. Banning out an entire class of champion is unlikely to work as a result though.
I don't think that Graves qualifies as a traditional marksman and Kalista probably doesn't count either since she's unplayably bad.
That still leaves you with 5 proper marksman though, which is probably good enough.
Graves was a marksman long before graves jg was even a thing. It's somewhat rare, but I have seen the occasional graves ADC in ranked plat elo, so it's far from non-viable.
Kalista is very much an adc outclassed by most other choices currently, but definitely an adc. Besides, relative strengths of marksman will change from patch to patch, so even if kalista is trash this patch, that might not be the case in future patches where 10 bans may or may not be a thing. That's more of a balance issue rather than a 10 ban issue in any case.
Works well as critical strike ADC.
Yeah theres lots of less conventional things that can be played adc. Also I forgot
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are all kinda niche 'adc' picks that do at least kinda sorta work in the right hands.
Beyond that, pretty much every ranged champion can be built adc and get the job done. I play a pretty mean adc
as plenty of people discovered during nemesis draft, so even in extreme ban out situations all hope is not lost.
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That's 17 conventional adcs assuming I didn't skip anyone. That leaves room for all 10 bans to target adc's, and to have some of them to be played mid/top/jg, and still have traditional choices available. Now sure, with 10 bans people in theory will need to have pretty broad pools for their role if both sides are on board with that sort of thing, but it's extremely unlikely that that's going to be the case.
Don't forget that these are all fairly capable of filling "ADC" role.

So what you saying is with 10 bans, Rito might make other champs viable?
I think you mean
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I think you mean
Ok so basically Kalista will be viable again koz we banned all the other marksman WELL DONE RIOT.
You know what'd be crazy? If 10 bans CHANGED THE TOP/JG/MID/ADC/SUP META WOAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Boths side can't ban 10, it's 10 total being 5 on each side XD
Boths side can't ban 10, it's 10 total being 5 on each side XD
Actually only 15 marksman are barely viable in this current meta. Lets say both teams got SOMEHOW, psychically linked and ACCIDENTLY banned 10, I really doubt the champ you are proficient can be picked out. But the thing is, banning 10 marksman can be a threat to the game and can be abused.
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Actually only 15 marksman are barely viable in this current meta. Lets say both teams got SOMEHOW, psychically linked and ACCIDENTLY banned 10, I really doubt the champ you are proficient can be picked out. But the thing is, banning 10 marksman can be a threat to the game and can be abused.
How? There's more than 10 champions of each class.
Assassin meta coming right up for Season 7, but yes, let's still focus on the Marksman.
Assassin meta coming right up for Season 7, but yes, let's still focus on the Marksman.
A highly unlikely, but possible future
"Lets ban all the viable marksmen AND kill them all lol, you cant even barely play and then get rekt"
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... time to practice urgot or ADC malzahar right...
Well lets count them up:
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are also included(Some make sense but are more of top lane, middle lane or jungler types though i didnt expect Azir to be 'counted' as a Marksman. With probably the only marksmen you would see else where would be
and some of those other on the roster. Teemo still counts as being able to play any spot btw.
But yeah thats about 17 marksmen that can be in the ADC role, probably more around 12 to 14 if you include 'mechanics', but some might make a good come back with the collapse of the flat armor penetration scum building in about a week and a half.
The main concern like someone else posted: "Removal of champions who are just meta cause of their overpowered kit.", Thankfully Lethality replacing Flat Armor Pen outta thin the ADC ranks on ban picks, since we'll see less of the free damage burst in one hit gimmick ability spams on particular ADCs.
[slayer-jinx-catface]
Only main concern to the 10 ban pick coming are the ones who are silly 1 champion pick only for each role type since they need to learn to diversify and play more types of champions then just 1 to maybe a selection of 2 to 3 specific champions for one position all the time.
[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]
Well lets count them up:
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Funny how when you look it up,
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are also included(Some make sense but are more of top lane, middle lane or jungler types though i didnt expect Azir to be 'counted' as a Marksman. With probably the only marksmen you would see else where would be
and some of those other on the roster. Teemo still counts as being able to play any spot btw.
But yeah thats about 17 marksmen that can be in the ADC role, probably more around 12 to 14 if you include 'mechanics', but some might make a good come back with the collapse of the flat armor penetration scum building in about a week and a half.
The main concern like someone else posted: "Removal of champions who are just meta cause of their overpowered kit.", Thankfully Lethality replacing Flat Armor Pen outta thin the ADC ranks on ban picks, since we'll see less of the free damage burst in one hit gimmick ability spams on particular ADCs.
[slayer-jinx-catface]
Lets just hope those damn koreans dont spoil the show for us with their new-metas. I know its VERY unlikely though.
Well lets count them up:
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Funny how when you look it up,
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are also included(Some make sense but are more of top lane, middle lane or jungler types though i didnt expect Azir to be 'counted' as a Marksman. With probably the only marksmen you would see else where would be
and some of those other on the roster. Teemo still counts as being able to play any spot btw.
But yeah thats about 17 marksmen that can be in the ADC role, probably more around 12 to 14 if you include 'mechanics', but some might make a good come back with the collapse of the flat armor penetration scum building in about a week and a half.
The main concern like someone else posted: "Removal of champions who are just meta cause of their overpowered kit.", Thankfully Lethality replacing Flat Armor Pen outta thin the ADC ranks on ban picks, since we'll see less of the free damage burst in one hit gimmick ability spams on particular ADCs.
[slayer-jinx-catface]
Can also work as a ADC
5 bans per team? Illaoi perma-banned
It is more likely that a pro team or competitive team would ban out all the viable junglers or at least the strong ones.
For that to happen, both ADC players would be banning ADCs as well. If everyone is banning ADCs, then either A) ADCs are ridiculously broken or B) no one expects "Bot" to play a marksmen that game.
Yeah I can't wait until I have to play blind pick with the salty 12-year-olds because all my champs get banned every game.
10 bans is gonna be bad news soon.