So....I know 10 bans might come out. But what if both sides banned 10 marksman?

Craft Zeppelin··2 votes·763 views

... time to practice urgot or ADC malzahar right...

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Mysticman895 votes

Lets see...

Ashe Caitlyn Corki Draven Ezreal Jhin Jinx Kalista KogMaw Lucian Graves MissFortune Quinn Sivir Tristana Twitch Vayne.

That's 17 conventional adcs assuming I didn't skip anyone. That leaves room for all 10 bans to target adc's, and to have some of them to be played mid/top/jg, and still have traditional choices available. Now sure, with 10 bans people in theory will need to have pretty broad pools for their role if both sides are on board with that sort of thing, but it's extremely unlikely that that's going to be the case.

edit: Forgot Varus so 18.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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Lets see...

Ashe Caitlyn Corki Draven Ezreal Jhin Jinx Kalista KogMaw Lucian Graves MissFortune Quinn Sivir Tristana Twitch Vayne.

That's 17 conventional adcs assuming I didn't skip anyone. That leaves room for all 10 bans to target adc's, and to have some of them to be played mid/top/jg, and still have traditional choices available. Now sure, with 10 bans people in theory will need to have pretty broad pools for their role if both sides are on board with that sort of thing, but it's extremely unlikely that that's going to be the case.

Yeah, I know its unlikely. But nothing is quite predictable in this game, like ever. The adcs you marked out 4 has like a massive winrate drop, so well you are left with only 3 viable ones. So I think we should just stay safe and keep the risks off.

Mysticman891 votes

Winrates are frequently based on the relative strength of their role counterparts, versus the champions themselves being inherently weak. If the top 10 adc's are off the table, then using the 11th best adc is going to be fine, since they're more likely to win than the 12-17th best adcs.

Also, teams aren't going to ban their own adc out. If they see all the adcs disappearing, they'll leave up whatever their own adc is comfortable playing and pick it early.

And lets not forget that it's not set in stone that their will be 10 bans, and even if there are that it'll be 5 bans and 5 bans and then picks. Some talk has happened around alternative pick/ban approaches where some bans might happen after some picks have already taken place, so their might be some interesting pick/ban strategies coming from that. Banning out an entire class of champion is unlikely to work as a result though.

Talisid1 votes

I don't think that Graves qualifies as a traditional marksman and Kalista probably doesn't count either since she's unplayably bad.

That still leaves you with 5 proper marksman though, which is probably good enough.

Mysticman891 votes

Graves was a marksman long before graves jg was even a thing. It's somewhat rare, but I have seen the occasional graves ADC in ranked plat elo, so it's far from non-viable.

Kalista is very much an adc outclassed by most other choices currently, but definitely an adc. Besides, relative strengths of marksman will change from patch to patch, so even if kalista is trash this patch, that might not be the case in future patches where 10 bans may or may not be a thing. That's more of a balance issue rather than a 10 ban issue in any case.

ItsOrval1 votes

Jayce Works well as critical strike ADC.

Mysticman891 votes

Yeah theres lots of less conventional things that can be played adc. Also I forgot Varus.

Jayce Kennen Kindred Lulu Teemo TwistedFate Urgot are all kinda niche 'adc' picks that do at least kinda sorta work in the right hands.

Beyond that, pretty much every ranged champion can be built adc and get the job done. I play a pretty mean adc Janna as plenty of people discovered during nemesis draft, so even in extreme ban out situations all hope is not lost.

xReadyPlayerOnex1 votes

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Lets see...

Ashe Caitlyn Corki Draven Ezreal Jhin Jinx Kalista KogMaw Lucian Graves MissFortune Quinn Sivir Tristana Twitch Vayne.

That's 17 conventional adcs assuming I didn't skip anyone. That leaves room for all 10 bans to target adc's, and to have some of them to be played mid/top/jg, and still have traditional choices available. Now sure, with 10 bans people in theory will need to have pretty broad pools for their role if both sides are on board with that sort of thing, but it's extremely unlikely that that's going to be the case.

Don't forget that these are all fairly capable of filling "ADC" role.

Cassiopeia Gnar Jayce Teemo Kayle

FourVsFive3 votes

So what you saying is with 10 bans, Rito might make other champs viable?

BIackfox2 votes

Kalista I think you mean

Craft Zeppelin2 votes

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Kalista I think you mean

Ok so basically Kalista will be viable again koz we banned all the other marksman WELL DONE RIOT.

Mickey Donnerudo2 votes

You know what'd be crazy? If 10 bans CHANGED THE TOP/JG/MID/ADC/SUP META WOAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Sukishoo1 votes

Boths side can't ban 10, it's 10 total being 5 on each side XD

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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Boths side can't ban 10, it's 10 total being 5 on each side XD

Actually only 15 marksman are barely viable in this current meta. Lets say both teams got SOMEHOW, psychically linked and ACCIDENTLY banned 10, I really doubt the champ you are proficient can be picked out. But the thing is, banning 10 marksman can be a threat to the game and can be abused.

vampirekid131 votes

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Actually only 15 marksman are barely viable in this current meta. Lets say both teams got SOMEHOW, psychically linked and ACCIDENTLY banned 10, I really doubt the champ you are proficient can be picked out. But the thing is, banning 10 marksman can be a threat to the game and can be abused.

How? There's more than 10 champions of each class.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

Assassin meta coming right up for Season 7, but yes, let's still focus on the Marksman.

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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Assassin meta coming right up for Season 7, but yes, let's still focus on the Marksman.

A highly unlikely, but possible future

"Lets ban all the viable marksmen AND kill them all lol, you cant even barely play and then get rekt"

Avienal1 votes

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... time to practice urgot or ADC malzahar right...

Well lets count them up:

Ashe , Lucian , Draven , Ezreal , Corki , Jhin , Jinx , Kalista , KogMaw , MissFortune , Quinn , Tristana , Varus , Vayne , Teemo, Twitch, Caitlyn

Funny how when you look it up, Azir, Jayce , Graves , Kennen are also included(Some make sense but are more of top lane, middle lane or jungler types though i didnt expect Azir to be 'counted' as a Marksman. With probably the only marksmen you would see else where would be Kindred and some of those other on the roster. Teemo still counts as being able to play any spot btw.

But yeah thats about 17 marksmen that can be in the ADC role, probably more around 12 to 14 if you include 'mechanics', but some might make a good come back with the collapse of the flat armor penetration scum building in about a week and a half.

The main concern like someone else posted: "Removal of champions who are just meta cause of their overpowered kit.", Thankfully Lethality replacing Flat Armor Pen outta thin the ADC ranks on ban picks, since we'll see less of the free damage burst in one hit gimmick ability spams on particular ADCs.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Only main concern to the 10 ban pick coming are the ones who are silly 1 champion pick only for each role type since they need to learn to diversify and play more types of champions then just 1 to maybe a selection of 2 to 3 specific champions for one position all the time.

[slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

Craft Zeppelin1 votes

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Well lets count them up:

Ashe , Lucian , Draven , Ezreal , Corki , Jhin , Jinx , Kalista , KogMaw , MissFortune , Quinn , Tristana , Varus , Vayne , Teemo, Twitch, Caitlyn

Funny how when you look it up, Azir, Jayce , Graves , Kennen are also included(Some make sense but are more of top lane, middle lane or jungler types though i didnt expect Azir to be 'counted' as a Marksman. With probably the only marksmen you would see else where would be Kindred and some of those other on the roster. Teemo still counts as being able to play any spot btw.

But yeah thats about 17 marksmen that can be in the ADC role, probably more around 12 to 14 if you include 'mechanics', but some might make a good come back with the collapse of the flat armor penetration scum building in about a week and a half.

The main concern like someone else posted: "Removal of champions who are just meta cause of their overpowered kit.", Thankfully Lethality replacing Flat Armor Pen outta thin the ADC ranks on ban picks, since we'll see less of the free damage burst in one hit gimmick ability spams on particular ADCs.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

Lets just hope those damn koreans dont spoil the show for us with their new-metas. I know its VERY unlikely though.

Applesaucey1 votes

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Well lets count them up:

Ashe , Lucian , Draven , Ezreal , Corki , Jhin , Jinx , Kalista , KogMaw , MissFortune , Quinn , Tristana , Varus , Vayne , Teemo, Twitch, Caitlyn

Funny how when you look it up, Azir, Jayce , Graves , Kennen are also included(Some make sense but are more of top lane, middle lane or jungler types though i didnt expect Azir to be 'counted' as a Marksman. With probably the only marksmen you would see else where would be Kindred and some of those other on the roster. Teemo still counts as being able to play any spot btw.

But yeah thats about 17 marksmen that can be in the ADC role, probably more around 12 to 14 if you include 'mechanics', but some might make a good come back with the collapse of the flat armor penetration scum building in about a week and a half.

The main concern like someone else posted: "Removal of champions who are just meta cause of their overpowered kit.", Thankfully Lethality replacing Flat Armor Pen outta thin the ADC ranks on ban picks, since we'll see less of the free damage burst in one hit gimmick ability spams on particular ADCs.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

TwistedFate Can also work as a ADC

VivaLaKitten1 votes

5 bans per team? Illaoi perma-banned

Swiftstrike41 votes

It is more likely that a pro team or competitive team would ban out all the viable junglers or at least the strong ones.

DrCyanide1 votes

For that to happen, both ADC players would be banning ADCs as well. If everyone is banning ADCs, then either A) ADCs are ridiculously broken or B) no one expects "Bot" to play a marksmen that game.

Hauling Ashe1 votes

Yeah I can't wait until I have to play blind pick with the salty 12-year-olds because all my champs get banned every game.

10 bans is gonna be bad news soon.

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