Why is Shyvana such a bad late game champ?

PapaGreg21··1 votes·2,234 views

She's not a lane bully like Pantheon or Renekton and isn't an early game pressure jungler like Elise and Lee Sin. I can understand why these champs fall off later but Shyvana offers so little to her team early compared to most of the roster of similar champions that she becomes one of the worst late game teammates because of her low damage, kite-ability, lack of utility and poor tankiness.

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Tahminatrix 1 votes

She isn't a bad late game champ she is great for groupfights but she requires setup which is normally what tank junglers/top laners do and right now toplane / jungle isn't friendly for tanks like Maokai Amumu or Malphite.

Because the meta does not support them at the moment. Its very early game snowball paced rn.

PapaGreg211 votes

I think she is pretty bad in the late game. I've played quite a few games on her the last 4 years with many different builds and she doesn't go toe to toe with many other bruisers.

WøOxer1 votes

Why?

She has one of the best clear times, and potentially good counter-jungler. Yes her ganking is pretty weak but she can take control of all jungle objectives.

The Bad Touch2 votes

Because everything Shyvana does OlafTrundleUdyrKayn do better and can all outduel her easily. Which means she's actually the one getting counter jungled regardless of her clear speed.

Almost no CC and no burst = crap jungler.

Shy needs a rework honestly.

DW Diana1 votes

Shyvana is a great late game champion if built right. Late game you need the tankiness to fly into the enemy team and go ham. You need to be able to rely on your team to follow up, and that's where she suffers. She has great engage, but without her team coming with her she'll get focused down. item 3193 helps against this when combined with item 3053 as she gets a huge shield when you activate/proc them at the same time. This can buy her 3-4 seconds of free hits before the enemy can start chunking her, at which point if her team are there she's great, if not she's dead. The same can be said for most engage fighters though.

PapaGreg211 votes

Her win rate plummets in games that go late and stoneplate is an item that almost nobody builds according to stat web sites. The argument would make sense if this was a popular item set that was helping her win games but neither has historically been the case.

DW Diana1 votes

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Her win rate plummets in games that go late and stoneplate is an item that almost nobody builds according to stat web sites. The argument would make sense if this was a popular item set that was helping her win games but neither has historically been the case.

She's a champion who's job late game teamfights is to engage ahead of her team. Why would people NOT build stone plate...

The Bad Touch1 votes

I forgot Shyvana existed.

Zane Zephyr1 votes

If you get a lead or are able to power farm and are able to get some items she can get really unstoppable. She can crank out a lot of damage if she's built for it. Bloodrazor/rageblade/botrk are great on her and nobody will be able to fuck with her once she has those, and you can just go tanky after that and make it even better.

This also lets her be disgusting at objectives too

PapaGreg212 votes

That's the problem. You can't get a lead through powerfarming anymore because the jungle has so little exp since the scuttle meta started. You are always behind laners. Even if you stayed even or a little ahead I would argue that quite a few bruisers will still beat her after she gets those items. You're going to be losing to irelia, darius, garen, warwick, jax, nocturne, wukong, nasus, renekton, riven, yasuo, yi, tryandamere, trundle, and camille for starters. All of the fighters and bruisers except maybe pantheon and lee sin who fall off hard will be able to beat her 1 on 1.

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