Whats wrong with Xin Zhao, (reposted because title) @riot

Daxanater··1 votes·492 views

Disclaimer: Yea I know Jax and MasterYi can do this too and maybe others, but if riot did nerf these champs I believe they would destroy their purpose. As much as I do hate them, I don't want to see them being useless. But Xin's buffs was uncalled for he was fine the way he was and I really want to know the reason of the buffs, in this post I will be going over about Xin's build and how it benefits him, problems and nerfs/edits they can make in his kit. Please leave some feedback I'll be making edits daily!

So recently we got these Xin Zhao changes, he's W can crit every 3rd auto and healsscales of a bit of his AD and AP and his E cool down got reduced by 2 seconds.

Doesn't sound so bad does it? Think again. This is a post where I will be going into full things about Xin Zhao, I might toxic and bronze but I've been playing the game since season 3 and I've never seen anything so bull crap. This post isn't from a bronze perspective it's just from your PC gamer. So please read the whole thing

First of all his build looks a little bit like this: item 1415 , item 3124 , item 3065 , item 3742 , item 3009 OR item 3047 , item 3078 OR item 3153 I believe there is a lot more options but this is what I have so far been seeing. I played against him today on my main and inside the PBE all week and I've only seen this.

Now let's break each item down and what it can do for Xin Zhao this is nothing new I know but it has to be mentioned it even applies for every champ but this is Xin Zhao we are talking about so give me a chance, there might be some math so here's the simplified version first Xin is bullshit

Now let's get started; (there is tl:tr below the paragraph)

item 1415 : So basically this makes Xin more of a duellist, when smited he'll do a lot of damage. Now devourer stacking with Xin is stupid, with in minutes you can gain sated. Grab dragon and rift herald which give you 10, then scuttles which is 4. You're now already at 4 stacks, if you clear all your jungle then you gain 20. Back grab your items and it'll be more easier if you counter jungle or clear the ones that spawned. Now ever second auto Xin can Crit and Heal, so this is what really makes the damage output fast. And I won't forget the 30 magic damage on hit.

tl;tr : Xin can get devourer in minutes, challenger smite will add more damage and his W passives can now activate on 2 autos.

item 3124 : I believe this is the number one item Xin needs to maximize his damage. In total it gives xin 32 AP, 24 AD and 64 attack speed. So this can increase hits crits damage and heal for Xin now. Getting 8 stacks is also simple with Xin, now his jungle clear is even stronger and this is why sated is so simple to get with Xin.

tl;tr : Xin can get a lot of AD, AP that increase his crits and heals and 64% attack speed. Jungle clear is stronger because of it.

item 3065 : This item is where his sustain is stupidly increased. He's more tanky with magic resist which makes it harder to get rid of him. It'll allow Xin to attack more I guess, am I the only on that thinks this guy is a bug jumping on and chunking you down and hard to get rid of? Probably me but thats how I can summarize this item, he's hard to get rid of.

tl;tr : Xin has increased sustain and tanky, he's more hard to get rid of.

item 3742 : Simular to spirits visage, gets him more tanky only and gives him movement speed so basically he's gonna catch up to you.

I don't think I need to explain item 3153 which just gives him more stats for more damage and sustain and item 3078 is basically tons of damage.

Overall this just makes Xin Zhao have more damage that we can't deal with.

Problems with Xin Zhao as we speak:

Sustain is one of his problems, he's healing for 100, 200 health per second with his autos. This is just stupid and I don't understand they want AD/AP scaling for the heals. His E right now is basically his gap closer, slows you and then right after he can knock you up while doing a ton of damage on his autos. All I can think is to CC him or QSS his E's slow since you can QSS knockups then flash away, both ways with full build he is the new monster of the jungle. **I think the most annoying part is **is how much damage he's doing when you can't do much back because of how tanky he is. I do believe people will disagree or agree but this is just my opinion on Xin right now.

Ideas to balance him

  • Remake the crit idea on an active effect
  • Lower his E's slow I really have no clue, I'll make daily edits right now please add some ideas in the comments below

7 Comments

PhantomGG1 votes

I am not rewriting the essay, so I will keep it short and condensed

Your claim

"xin was fine as he was"

FALSE he was not fine

Devourer is a jungle play style, and it is xins best play style

PROBLEM

He was the worse Dev jungler out of all of them.

The buffs were justified for their was zero reason to chose xin over any other jungler who built dev.

The reality

Xin is probabbly not op, and what is going on is simply a hype train as people do not know how to fight him yet, we need time to adjust and learn.

Daxanater1 votes

So that's the reason they give him critical strike and ad/ap scaling for heals? Just because of that? I don't believe it. The majority of people complaining including myself agree that he is perfectly fine. So maybe you're right but he still did damage right so why does it even matter if he's the worst out of all of them he's a duelist, he kicks ass either way.

PhantomGG1 votes

for he never kicked ass

Lee sin-Better

Elise-Better

Udyr-better

Ekko-Better

shyvana- Better

Master yi-better

Name me any jungler int he game, legit any jungler, and I can give you a legitmate reason in why he was a worse jungler.

Daxanater1 votes

Whats the reason?

PhantomGG1 votes

for the junglers I just listed?

xxxDogmanxxx1 votes

Nope, pretty sure Xin Zhao was being completely outclassed by basically every other Devourer Jungler except Aatrox (that guy seriously needs a rework). Xin needed this buff and people are literally just jumping on the hate train because they got owned by a Xin Zhao player that would have owned them even before the buff.

Sir Yamazuki1 votes

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Nope, pretty sure Xin Zhao was being completely outclassed by basically every other Devourer Jungler except Aatrox (that guy seriously needs a rework). Xin needed this buff and people are literally just jumping on the hate train because they got owned by a Xin Zhao player that would have owned them even before the buff.

He's been on my team every time he's picked on both my accounts, and he's clearly op.

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