Vladimir, Ekko, and Nidalee are still dominating in solo queue and LCS

IsIsGankedParis·Jul 1, 2015·47 votes·3,436 views

Better nerf Xin Zhao :^)

50 Comments

IcyPepperJul 1, 201515 votes

Ekko is the 13th most picked midlaner, has the 49th ladder ranking in win rates, and is the highest ban for midlaners.

I dunno, for a 5.75% pick rate with a 42.89% win rate, I'm not sure he's really dominating solo queue. He's certain taking up bans, but from what I recall a higher pick rate usually deflates the win rate a little bit, so he's not really... dominating.

Vladmir is meh. A tad above average, but barely. Pick rates, he's pretty up there, but he's not super dominating. Maybe, if you consider a 11-12% pick rate to be dominating. Tad much, he could use nerfs someday. Maybe? I'm not really sure about this guy.

Jungle Nidalee is a bitch. And on a related note, the sky was blue yesterday.

SaiannaJul 1, 20151 votes

Players noticed vlad with AP items buff. If he really was a threat with like 60-70% win-rate in high tiers then Riot would fix him long time ago.

badoogaJul 1, 20155 votes

The problem is that he has relatively dodgable damage compared to other assassins, but people don't know how to dodge it and get deleted. I mean, his ult clone is RIGHT THERE DON'T STEP ON IT

I Miss CannonJul 2, 20152 votes

The damage of his His ultimate is not even the problem, problem is his slowing Q that deals insane damage and his double dash. Together this combo chunks your health bar much faster than Leblanc could ever do. The main problem with his ultimate is that he can dive 5 people with it, kill one target and still survive. If you got a strong initiator on your team W and his ultimate are also pretty easy to hit in teamfights. I don't give any fcks about his winrate, guy is just cancerous to play against and totally overloaded. You wanna gut my Leblanc, Kalista, Vladimir etc. because they're cancerous to play against guys? Okay, then gut that black version of Shulk too. Thanks. Many champs that were considered op also had shitty winrates and no one cared.

badoogaJul 2, 20151 votes

His dash I admit has no counterplay except getting out of range of the 2nd one, but his Q is fairly easy to dodge, at least in lane, along with the rest of his kit really. When his W and Q has such large radii, it's really hard to dodge them in teamfights and you just get deleted. The only reason he has so much damage is because his abilities CAN be dodged fairly easily in lane (I beat an Ekko as Karthus for crying out loud), so that is the time you are supposed to get him behind so he can't delete anyone.

I Miss CannonJul 2, 20153 votes

Karthus is good against Ekko because Karthus builds fairly tanky (RoA etc.) plus Ekko is melee and gets screwed by continuous ranged harass. And no, that Q isn't easy to dodge, it's hitbox is huge. People also complained about Ziggs or Zed harass and those harass is 10 times easier to dodge, so why is Ekko okay because you can avoid him? Expect you're Annie and are able to farm from the other end of the map, you also can't really stay out of Ekkos range without missing too much CS. It's also pretty impossible to kill him alone (expect the Ekko plays very bad) in lane post-6 because of his ultimate, which is really frustrating. When i see Ekko, i feel like he's a Diana 2.0 (my main) and they just added a get-out-of-jail card and a bigger shield which also stuns.

badoogaJul 2, 20151 votes

The only reason his Q can be dodged easily to me is because it moves very slowly once it expands, but I still get hit by his Q half the time. Too bad both his W and his R can block Karthus ult T-T

KoKobotoJul 1, 201514 votes

Its for the new devourer, thats why he is getting the nerf on his W

Sir YamazukiJul 1, 20153 votes

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Its for the new devourer, thats why he is getting the nerf on his W

Sure, which explains why Nid is being nerfed too even though her jungle item is being buffed. Oh wait, they aren't doing that.

KoKobotoJul 1, 20151 votes

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Sure, which explains why Nid is being nerfed too even though her jungle item is being buffed. Oh wait, they aren't doing that.

Runeglaive sucks, any ap jungler will just switch it out for a better item later on in the game, like don't even finish it

Sir YamazukiJul 1, 20152 votes

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Runeglaive sucks, any ap jungler will just switch it out for a better item later on in the game, like don't even finish it

It's not bad on quite a lot of them, Nid's winrate went back up slightly, along with other junglers. Fiddles was the only one who had a real drop, but that was pretty much Riot's goal anyways.

ChaoticPineconeJul 1, 20151 votes

its definitely not a bad item, but its not worth an item slot. Its only saving grace is that its cheap. You still would trade it out for a lich bane late game.

Davy CrockettJul 2, 20151 votes

Diana

MatezoideJul 1, 201511 votes

Out of every champ that can abuse Devourer, they are nerfing Xin's Heal?

Seriously?

NinjaToad99Jul 1, 201510 votes

AP Xin without the nerf and with, say, item 3089 item 3020 item 3285 item 3157 item 3135 item 3718 would mean that every 2 autos (At 30 stacks) he would heal himself for 441 without runes or masteries (Remember he has an activatable attack speed buff and an auto reset). And that's hardly an ideal build. http://www.xclusivetouch.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/sheldon-cooper-gif-the-horror-upset-gif.gif

Ulquiorra995Jul 1, 20152 votes

Meanwhile he has no tank stats except for some armour and is required to get in and stay in melee range to heal that much. And then the ADC crits him once for double the amount he heals.

Meanwhile Vladimir heals like crazy, deals AoE damage and is pretty tanky even with full AP build.

PoisonedPeaceJul 1, 20151 votes

Plus with the new WotA, Vlad will just heal his entire health bar with each Q

NinjaToad99Jul 1, 20151 votes

That is, again, why I said it isn't an ideal build. You can replace Echo with omen or spirit visage. I just quickly made up a build.

commit an heroJul 1, 20152 votes

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AP Xin without the nerf and with, say, would mean that every 2 autos (At 30 stacks) he would heal himself for 441 without runes or masteries (Remember he has an activatable attack speed buff and an auto reset). And that's hardly an ideal build. http://www.xclusivetouch.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/sheldon-cooper-gif-the-horror-upset-gif.gif

Why would you use sorc boots? Ionian boots of Lucidity or Greaves would be 100x better.

NinjaToad99Jul 1, 20154 votes

That's why I said it was hardly an ideal build. I just quickly made one up.

Stiv1234Jul 1, 20151 votes

Technically he wouldbe healing himself twice as often as without Devourer, so its not 1 out of 2, but rather 2 out of 3 hits. (for all maths-haters: that means hes even better.)

Schlachsahne76Jul 1, 20151 votes

YES they do, i would be so op with this scaling

stealthfox94Jul 1, 20151 votes

The thing is devourer can still work with a mostly AD build.

Saminus MaximusJul 1, 20153 votes

The irony is that both xin q and w don't actually work with devourer because of how they're coded. (Ps yes i played ap xin on pbe)

CrossetteJul 1, 20154 votes

And Yi with 2.5 attack speed and 500 AD isn't bullshit, plus the magic damage on hit.

KoKobotoJul 4, 20151 votes

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And Yi with 2.5 attack speed and 500 AD isn't bullshit, plus the magic damage on hit.

What? I didn't say anything about Master Yi, and if a Master Yi gets to 500 AD and 2.5 Attack Speed im wondering what kind of game you're playing

Skia AsteriJul 1, 201513 votes

Nidalee only dominates high elo. Below Plat she loses more often than she wins. In Bronze she is one of the lowest win rate champions of all.

stealthfox94Jul 1, 20152 votes

This. I've never played with or against a good jungle nid. To me she's just a no CC no AOE worst teamfight version of Jayce.

badoogaJul 2, 20151 votes

Exactly. The only thing she can do is flank your team and throw spears at it, hoping it hits the ADC or some other carry, as her spears are single-target.

NarasimhaJul 1, 201512 votes

I have yet to see Nidalee or Vlad dominate. I have yet to even see an Ekko in a game.

LegendmakerGXJul 1, 20151 votes

Same i never even see nid or vlad a lot but ekko I see VERY MUCH.

VDc0zCqe0wJul 1, 20151 votes

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I have yet to see Nidalee or Vlad dominate. I have yet to even see an Ekko in a game.

cuz he's permaban mostly

IcyPepperJul 1, 20151 votes

I haven't seen him in blinds/team builder for awhile, now that I think about it.

Maybe the hype's dying down?

xl Kirito lxJul 1, 20156 votes

I might be wrong here, but isn't the LCS a patch behind live? As in, before the major ekko nerfs hit?

SammystormJul 1, 20151 votes

You are correct sir.

SnoweyJul 1, 20155 votes

You make more QQ threads than anyone else that I know. Pls.

Edit: To actually respond to you, Vladimir isn't "dominating" then scene, neither is Nidalee, Ekko is. Nidalee is a very high risk pick because she has make herself useful early game so the team can out scale the tanks on the enemy team. Vladimir is a decent pick, but offers no hard CC like the "meta" champions do.

As far as Xin getting nerfed, I don't know what you are talking about because he hasn't been nerfed, yet. (recently)

LoLKiruJul 1, 20152 votes

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You make more QQ threads than anyone else that I know. Pls.

Edit: To actually respond to you, Vladimir isn't "dominating" then scene, neither is Nidalee, Ekko is. Nidalee is a very high risk pick because she has make herself useful early game so the team can out scale the tanks on the enemy team. Vladimir is a decent pick, but offers no hard CC like the "meta" champions do.

As far as Xin getting nerfed, I don't know what you are talking about because he hasn't been nerfed, yet. (recently)

Theres a nerf to the AP ratio of his W on the PBE. Given that such a nerf only really affects Xin if he buys triforce, i don't see the value of it (nor do I see the point in nerfing Xin; he's strong but has his weaknesses)

SnoweyJul 1, 20151 votes

Everything on the PBE is subject to change. There has been no patch. so far, that has nerfed Xin Zhao, seeing that the patch is on the PBE instead of the main servers.

DrCyanideJul 1, 20154 votes

And we both know that close to 95% of what hits the PBE hits live, probably higher if it concerns balance changes. The only recent exception to the "what happens on PBE happens on Live" rule are the item changes they've been testing (mandrake ward, abyssal scepter changes, etc.)

theragingnerdJul 2, 20151 votes

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Theres a nerf to the AP ratio of his W on the PBE. Given that such a nerf only really affects Xin if he buys triforce, i don't see the value of it (nor do I see the point in nerfing Xin; he's strong but has his weaknesses)

weaknesses as in not having weaknesses? he has great ganking great sustain and can duel almost anyone with just a triforce

dEAdbUsJul 1, 20152 votes

http://na.lolesports.com/articles/universal-recipient-vladimir-pro-play

And this is truth. My brother is Diamond 3 and Vlad is one of his mains, so I know what I'm talking about. Vlad is very easy to shotdown early - especially with popular now Riven and Irelia.

And you should't worry about Vlad because Will of the Ancients will be reworked and next patch and will be weaker in early game. So Vlad early game will be even weaker than now.

FadedpfJul 1, 20151 votes

Balanced Champions™

stealthfox94Jul 1, 20151 votes

That nerf won't effect most Xin players.

GunpointJul 1, 20151 votes

Vlad and Nidalee need nerfs, Ekko does not.

PB4UAMEJul 1, 20151 votes

Vladimir, "dominating" with a 50% winrate.

Celeste BenalJul 1, 20151 votes

Ekko is still on perma-ban. Therefore he is not be dominating anything except the ban list.

48983507DEL1Jul 1, 20151 votes

Ekko currently has one of the lowest winrates. I wouldn't consider 43% or lower dominating lol.

FistOfSharkieshaJul 2, 20151 votes

Vlad has an abusable earlygame. If you pick a champion that can't deny him farm or kill him, you need to ask for him to be banned. Otherwise, he's a risky early pick because of the amount of champions that can 100-0 him without taking hardly any damage.