Nidalee's Cougar form abilities need a mana cost

Eedat··67 votes·3,247 views

Make all of her cougar form abilities cost mana. It would limit her insane early mobility. She would have to spend mana to clear camps and wouldn't be able to stack her item 3070 using resourceless abilities with low cooldowns

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Narasimha9 votes

Because then they'd do the same thing to Elise, in the name of fairness. And the last thing Elise needs is more random nerfs.

Tourian1 votes

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Because then they'd do the same thing to Elise, in the name of fairness. And the last thing Elise needs is more random nerfs.

Mah n-word. Didn't even read this post and posted the same thing.

PerishSoftly6 votes

Elise has one direct damage ability in her transformed state, Nidalee has 3.

Narasimha8 votes

Elise has one form of hard CC, Nida doesn't even have soft CC. Elise has both current% and missing% damage, Nida is losing that next patch. Elise's heal doesn't cost mana, Nida's does.

Whats your point?

Reazale3 votes

We all can play the same game, so lets do it: Nidalee has a 1500 range nuke that hits for 450+1.2ap ( of course i will omit the fact that this is after 1300 units of travel) Nidalee has a gap closer with 5 sec cd that doesnt require a target and can go through walls (of course i will not say that only the thin walls can be jumped through, cos im biased) Nidalee can heal others and doesnt require an enemy target nearby and heals for more , and can be used on adc to help on objetives and shit. Nidalee has pseudo wards (her traps) and elise doesnt. Nidalee has an aa reset and elise doesnt.

See , i can do it too!!!

men are objects8 votes

Elise burst doesn't deal 2k damage in .75 seconds, Nida's does. Elise mobility enemy/neutral creeps to move to. This costs mana and has a high cooldown. Nda's is free and can be spammed every 2 or 3 seconds. Elise abilities don't endlessly reset. Nida's does.

Narasimha3 votes

Elise has higher sustained damage and can actually survive in the middle of a team fight. Nida goes 'poof' if she stays in longer than one rotation. Elise's mobility... does not cost mana. Are you just lying, or ignorant? Elise's abilities don't reset because that would be beyond insane. Rapid fire % health damage? Dear gods, it'd be like Vayne on steroids.

MarhsallLee671 votes

Would that really stop them from dropping another nerf on Elise, though?

Eedat4 votes

No they wouldn't. If that was the case then shouldn't Jayce have no-cost abilities in one of his forms?

Narasimha2 votes

Jayce's forms are both stronger than the other transformations. If he didn't have to pay for one, it'd have to be considerably weaker. In Cannon form he has huge sieging potential, a teamwide ms boost, aoe damage, and a steroid In Hammer form he has hard cc, soft cc, %health damage, more aoe damage, and a bit of tankiness.

Eedat7 votes

LOL WHAT?

Nidalee's human form has huge siege potential, a heal, an attack speed steroid, %HP damage, and traps for semi-wards and checking bushes/over walls

Nidalees's cougar form has huge burst, AOE damage, and a spammable gap closer/escape.

Also, she can use these resourceless abilities to stack her tear. Jayce needs to combo 2 abilities on longer cooldowns to seige and they both cost mana. Both of Nidalee's transformations are every bit as strong as Jayce's

Narasimha2 votes

Nida's human form has single target spears, Jayce clears entire waves and has aoe poke with his Q + E. Jayce wins this one.

Nida has a single target heal combined with an attack speed steroid. Jayce has a group MS boost and a seperate AS boost. This one is slightly in Nida's favor generally, but is pretty situational

Nida has traps that don't act as wards at all. Even Teemo's shrooms provide more vision.

Jayce's human form also has huge burst, aoe damage, a gap closer, AND CC. Jayce wins this one.

Overall, Jayce is stronger at both sieging AND all ins, but he has to pay mana to do so, and can't do it indefinetly.

Eedat2 votes

Overall, Jayce is stronger at both sieging AND all ins

hahahahahahahaha

clearly wasting my time here. Cya

Narasimha3 votes

You're on a video game forum trying to make a point that everyone knows will never happen.

You expected this to be a GOOD use of your time?

Hard Penetrator2 votes

Actually he is right, the difference is Jayce poke isn't spammable and both of his forms cost mana. Nidale nerfs are coming tomorrow I think she will get hit good.

Point is Jayce is balanced and has some disadvantages and Nida is op as fuck and should get deleted.

dunder kill4 votes

Nid is WAY better for sieging. Not only is her poke better because its a much lower cooldown, but she can heal people if they get poked back and set traps to zone people

Sir Yamazuki14 votes

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Because then they'd do the same thing to Elise, in the name of fairness. And the last thing Elise needs is more random nerfs.

No, they would not have to in the name of "fairness", otherwise with that logic Jayce's melee should be manaless just because Nid and Elise are.

Narasimha2 votes

Jayce's forms are both stronger than the other transformations. If he didn't have to pay for one, it'd have to be considerably weaker. In Cannon form he has huge sieging potential, a teamwide ms boost, aoe damage, and a steroid In Hammer form he has hard cc, soft cc, %health damage, more aoe damage, and a bit of tankiness.

dunder kill9 votes

Nidalees forms are equal if not stronger than Jayce's

LittleBlast5 votes

I know you hate nidalee but this change would completely gut her and make her unplayable.

IcyPepper5 votes

So why does she get special treatment Veigar Kassadin

LittleBlast2 votes

Both of them have mana sustain and dont have 6 abilities.

Raptamei2 votes

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I know you hate nidalee but this change would completely gut her and make her unplayable.

And? Veigar

LittleBlast1 votes

Riot knows they made a mistake with veigar, they arent going to do it again

Hard Penetrator1 votes

Sooner or later they will do it 100%. Not on purpose but it's unavoidable. I just hope they will fix it faster than 3-4 months.

coppinslinger5 votes

No no, Nidalee just needs to be compensated for the removal of DFG.

She's really hurting now that the item was removed from her "burst assassin" playstyle. Pls compensate Rito.

Kek.

Oddysseas4 votes

I mentioned that in a previous comment that i made, her cougar for should have some mana cost. First of all it should cost anything for the transformation but it should cost some for the q w e as she can endlessly spam them at no cost.

OhOkYea2 votes

Should cost like 10-20% of max mana.

Oddysseas1 votes

That would be too much. She need small but exist able mana costs. I mean what is the point of her having a blue buff when she jungles, if she can turn cougar and clear most camps the one heal she can move on...

bebeb1 votes

Maybe like, 20/25/30/35/40 mana on her pounce? no? ok then...

Hard4Hamsters2 votes

I agree with this statement. Ever since they gave her R at lvl 1, I've wanted Riot to do this. I know she isn't necessarily broken at the moment, but the cougar form is unmatched in mobility in the jungle (save maybe Lee Sin) and her cooldowns are so low. Personally I love that Nidalee is in the jungle nowadays as it fits with her theme so well, but I do think it's odd that she's the only form changer that has a form that doesn't use resources.

PerishSoftly3 votes

Elise doesn't need to use mana in Spider Form either, but has significantly less AoE.

Tourian3 votes

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Elise doesn't need to use mana in Spider Form either, but has significantly less AoE.

That's not the point. Sit there an honestly tell me riot wouldn't do the same to Elise if they did it to Nidalee. Look up her balance changes since she came out. Spite nerf. Spite Nerf. Spite nerf. Lee Sin needs nerfed? Better nerf Elise harder.

Anidan2 votes

I think someone on the balance team has Arachnophobia and didn't mention it to the champion designers. So everytime Elise even catches wind of the possibility of being good, she's smashed with a big ol' nerf boot.

tempname9521 votes

You're confusing elise with irelia.

Shyvana Bot1 votes

We are on to you irelia mains, we know she hasn't been nerfed in years.

Hard4Hamsters1 votes

Woops.. sorry. Never play Elise, didn't know that one. Thanks for the info.

UPfreely2 votes

they could maybe give her cougar form energy but then she'd need energy gains if she proced a hunt

Tourian2 votes

Please delete this thread. If they do this to Nidalee they'll do it to Elise out of spite and then she'll hunt you down and sit on your face like her new splash...wait...But seriously.

Eedat1 votes

No they won't. If that were true then Jayce shouldn't have mana costs in one of his forms

Malix Farwin2 votes

That would make nidalee balanced and we cant have that now can we

grLKQ9ma0o2 votes

Then increase her base mana. While free mobility is excessive, putting mana on Nidalee's cougar form abilities would choke her off in an early jungle clear completely. After the first clear or so, that's fine, but the first 2 camps are rough when you don't have mana.

bad manner kid2 votes

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Then increase her base mana. While free mobility is excessive, putting mana on Nidalee's cougar form abilities would choke her off in an early jungle clear completely. After the first clear or so, that's fine, but the first 2 camps are rough when you don't have mana.

Why should a laner even be given jungle buffs period? Can LeBlanc jungle? Should Jayce jungle? Assassin based junglers are super snowbally when they are able to hit laners between clears. They should suffer the consequences of jungling and not being battle ready early game.

Anidan3 votes

Don't limit jungle diversity further by saying laners shouldn't get jungle buffs. Nida jungle isn't bad because she's a laner by nature. Nida jungle is annoying as hell for many reasons, but her ability to jungle at all is not one of them.

Cenobite Azaziel2 votes

All that lament about elise... meanwhile jayce pay for the two forms, and tear is a must rush.yeah.

TwitchInMyPants2 votes

I think it should cost less mana since it can be the riskier form, but pounce at least needs a moderate cost so its undesirable to spam. I mean Kassadin has his mana bar DESTROYED for spamming blinks. Why isn't a character that's far more powerful treated the same?

blujadajhdja1 votes

Wait, didn't they remove her item 3070 stacking on Nid's cougar form? Or was that just Jayce and Elise?

Woook3r1 votes

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Make all of her cougar form abilities cost mana. It would limit her insane early mobility. She would have to spend mana to clear camps and wouldn't be able to stack her item 3070 using resourceless abilities with low cooldowns

No they need to share cooldowns with her other abilities. She has SIX ABILITIES DAMN IT

voidterror11 votes

Somebody just lost to a nidalee... chill out before deciding to come up with terrible "fixes" to nidalee.

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