So, just as I said, Qiyana is a good jungler

Shiroyashayami·Jun 12, 2019·2 votes·2,505 views

Told ya.

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hrooza dota Jun 12, 20194 votes

what?

is this supposed to be some sort of directed post to somebody? if so why you dont just say it to that person instant of creating a random thread with no propose....

FOR JUSTICEJun 12, 20194 votes

He made a post a few days ago and actually tried to argue that she wont be a midlane.

ShiroyashayamiJun 12, 20191 votes

Didn't argue that she won't be a midlane. She will. But she will also be a jungler. And a top tier. However hard to learn so I don't know how many people will pick her up. For what I saw she has a good clear and her sustain is ok with correct runes. Her ganking potential for some reason is only ok, not as strong as I thought, because her ult is hard to use fully. Also she might be a perfect snowball champion, so I might try her but I would prefer to stick to what is mine, coz it works. I can get to diamond only with one champion and I am too lazy to go for masters (and bad) xd I am wondering if with this many characters in the game she will even get enough playrate to be relevant, because people don't care about her as much as about previous champions. They actually don't want her because she is "toxic". Maybe they are right. I kinda like her, but she is too hard. Would take more than several matches to even learn basics.

FOR JUSTICEJun 12, 20194 votes

to quote a few posts you made in that thread:

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Have you seen her abilities? How is she good in lane? Her kit is garbage for laning but if we look at her in jungle then she might be viable.

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They might think that she is a laner, but .... have you seen her kit? Its a jungler and a good one. She will be fun to play there. If ad, with tiamat, if ap with a jungle item. I don't think her kit is even remotelly ok for laning. And it would be good to break a stereotype of arrogant ad assassins by having an arrogant ap assassin, but whatever.

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She is a jungler. That is why everybody thinks that she is a junger. She cannot be a laner without waveclear and sustain, just like you said. She has mobility, damage, ranged cc. She is perfect for jungle. Also her abilities are good for ganks and for clearing jungle camps but not for killing minions. You literally said yourself all the reasons why she cannot be a laner. Even if she is pushed to be a laner, she will end up in jungle. She is literally perfect for jungle and I already have an idea for a clear path for her.

so yeah, no.... thats exactly what you tried to argue. the farthest you said to her sololaning would be riot pushing her toplane as you said.

ShiroyashayamiJun 13, 20191 votes

I didn't say that she isn't a laner, I argue that she is shit in lane. Everybody can destroy her in early game. Then she buys a Duskblade like every ad assassin ever and becomes a champion. In jungle she should work, if not now, then in the future. Her kit is too good to not push her towards jungle. Also she would be nice on top lane, yes, but maybe after some time, because I don't know which rune would be the best and if this meta supports her in there. On mid she might have a hard time at the start, because she is too weak. There is no match-up that she is winning. Maybe after she buys duskblade she can handle mid, but before that her poke and resistances are too low.

hrooza dota Jun 13, 20193 votes

i checked the thread , you argued what is her main role and said she is shit in lane and will be jungler.

theres a huge different between a jungler and a can jungle champion

Sylas is a solo laner who can jungle *also he is what you want, an ap jungler.

Kayn is a jungler , he might be in a solo lane once in a blue moon , but his main role is jungle

what you argued there about her is if she is a jungler or solo laner , not if she is able to jungle or not.

ShiroyashayamiJun 13, 20191 votes

She is shit in lane but I didn't say that she isn't a laner. Just that she is shit in lane and that is true. She can get clapped in early by ... anybody. And then she buys duskblade like any other ad assassin and can play the game. Because Duckblade is apprently a champion's best ability. She not only can jungle, but will jungle. If not now, then in the future. Her kit is just too good.

hrooza dota Jun 13, 20194 votes

shit in lane = cant really lane.

besides she just got out and you already jumping the guns in a day of pbe.

ShiroyashayamiJun 13, 20191 votes

Shit is lane doesn't mean that xd Crocodile doesn't mean an Aligator xd Fizz is shit in lane as well, but can oneshot anybody if hits ult, before that can be abused all the time, with poke from skills and aa. She is just the same. Can be easily abused in lane and won't be able to retaliate. Don't really need more time to say that. It is visible on first glance and you can feel it when you play her.

hrooza dota Jun 13, 20193 votes

no you do need time to get where she is supposed to be in this game.

a lot said kayle can only jungle and look at us now playing her only in top lane, feeling is not something to count on alone and we all should give her time to know her lane.

ShiroyashayamiJun 13, 20191 votes

Who said that Kayle can only jungle? Her ganks are bad. She would never be a jungler. Qiyana is different, her kit is made for jungle, but she is suppoused to be a laner. I guess she can do both, but she is too weak for laning at the moment. She would need a hot fix or a buff later, because for now I see her only as a 40+% champ. Not as weak as Yuumi was when she came out, but Qiyana's early is just too weak for laning, her mid game too strong and late game also kinda falls off. For now that works well for jungle. While laning she should have lower winrate than 50%, around 40-41% - 43% max. In jungle that might be higher. However if she gets buffed she will probably be buffed for laning and then the story is different. If only she was AP, I would build Gunblade on her and she would be good in both laning and jungling at the same time, but for some reason she is AD xd

hrooza dota Jun 13, 20192 votes

a lot did, this forum and the game had a lot of kayles going to jungle because they though that her laning in nonexistence and they would just perma farm until late game.

qiyana might be like kayle, not in term of hard scaling but in term of simply not needing to hard win lane you can easily get some level and start roaming at some point, also 40% winrate for a new champ is perfectly fine in fact that should be the win rate of most new champ not like the new morde who is setting at some nonsense winrate atm.

any way as i said, give her some time before jumping guns, i know you want her to be ap so badly but that should not make you judge everything about a champion in one day in pbe.

she will need at least 1 week in live servers to show her true face.

p.s : use spaces a few times please , its hard to read wall of tests.

p.s 2 : she does hav ap ratio so gun blade wont be the worst item :P, oh and she is AD because we did not have an AD solo laner for a while.

ShiroyashayamiJun 13, 20191 votes

We have 50 solo laners mid and 50 top. I don't think we need another one xd

I use walls of texts because I became lazy. Every time I get downvoted and then it turns out that I was right so I really do not care.

You are right that it is too soon to judge her but I can have my own opinion about her at least.

My opinion is that atm she is better in jungle than in lane. In the future it might flip but I will play her in jungle and maybe even main her there. Obviously if I still remain a player of League (I am playing like 1 match a day, that is how much this season makes me want to die).

It is just an opinion but I still don't know why people still refuse to see a valid point here. When you look at her kit, doesn't it scream "play me in jungle"? Those dashes and utility from elements are nice for ganks. Also, have you seen her clear? Its better than most tier 3 champions. With her gankability she should be at least tier 2.

Also, really hard to lose 1v1 after you get duskblade. She gets strong after that item. Shit gets crazy. Damage output is like that of rengar. That is how fast you kill people on her with that item. Fun actually.

Plus there is oversaturation on solo lanes, but in jungle people desperatelly search for new picks, because champion pool there is so boring. That is why she might get picked there.

hrooza dota Jun 14, 20191 votes

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We have 50 solo laners mid and 50 top. I don't think we need another one xd

this is not some sort of contest of how many each lane have or else we end up with getting multi adcs/supps in a row

I use walls of texts because I became lazy. Every time I get downvoted and then it turns out that I was right so I really do not care.

walls of texts will get you downvoted even harder tbh

You are right that it is too soon to judge her but I can have my own opinion about her at least. My opinion is that atm she is better in jungle than in lane. In the future it might flip but I will play her in jungle and maybe even main her there. Obviously if I still remain a player of League (I am playing like 1 match a day, that is how much this season makes me want to die).

the problem is you are trying to shove that opinion into us by saying you are right this early, or at least thats what most players including me get from your posts/threads .

It is just an opinion but I still don't know why people still refuse to see a valid point here. When you look at her kit, doesn't it scream "play me in jungle"? Those dashes and utility from elements are nice for ganks. Also, have you seen her clear? Its better than most tier 3 champions. With her gankability she should be at least tier 2.

simply put you did not even start with the opinion , you shoved it as a fact to ask for a change for her[making her ap] before even start with that opinion itself .

the reaction you get is pretty normal, you will get a lot better reaction if your thread was like [i think she can be a good jungler] instant of [change her to ap because she is a jungler]

Also, really hard to lose 1v1 after you get duskblade. She gets strong after that item. Shit gets crazy. Damage output is like that of rengar. That is how fast you kill people on her with that item. Fun actually.

tbh i think she is a good roamer even without duskblade, all she needs is some level and a pushed lane to do a good roam, i will wait her in live servers to make a full judge .

Plus there is oversaturation on solo lanes, but in jungle people desperatelly search for new picks, because champion pool there is so boring. That is why she might get picked there.

everything get picked in almost everylane on release until they find the lane they need tbh, heck i might pick her as a support if i saved enough Be :P

FOR JUSTICEJun 12, 20194 votes

As we all told you, everyone is going to try and stick the new champ in the jungle to see how it works. That doesn't mean it will work well.That's nothing new, especially with assassins.

You also aren't even prepared to state this yet being that she is only out on PBE, which means jack squat to who goes where.

IllabetheJun 12, 20193 votes

She's not a good jungler. item 3077 is a good jungler.

Any melee can take it and clear.

ShiroyashayamiJun 12, 20191 votes

She doesn't build it but ok xd

VelasanJun 12, 20191 votes

Hi! I am not for or against either side of this argument, however, I do jungle a lot!

So, what I want to know are things like, what runes did you take and what was your build to make it work?

ShiroyashayamiJun 13, 20191 votes

For now I tried electrocute, that thing with lethality, 2nd tier is whatever, then ravenous hunter, coz she needs sustain. Then 2nd rune choice is precision or sorcery, i took precision because I wanted more attack speed and damage, so that my clear is a little bit faster. Also, probably fleet footwork can work on her too, if u go bruser. I think she might be a good bruser if built correctly because her cooldowns are short. She is a flexible champion, so not only jng and mid, but also top and for her, but only if meta supports her in those lanes. For now she might not be viable on top, because she won't win with tanks, nor brusers, her early game is too trash. But after duskblade she can basically oneshot squishies.