And Sejuani is now on my permaban list

Lost In Time·Mar 16, 2015·4 votes·1,934 views

Can we stop buffing champions and then introducing items that now no longer provide a "weakness" to that said champion?

You did the same shit with Tristana

28 Comments

The PaulrusMar 16, 20153 votes

How to kill sejuani:

As an AD: item 3153 + item 3035 As an AP: item 3135 + item 3151

Also, don't forget your typical tank/everything destroyers: Vayne , AP Varus , Katarina , , Kalista ...and the list goes on and on.

Lost In TimeMar 16, 20152 votes

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How to kill sejuani:

As an AD: + As an AP: +

Also, don't forget your typical tank/everything destroyers: , AP , , , ...and the list goes on and on.

Except I was playing those champs and Sej is like "wut damage"

no badge, no opinion, pls

SukishooMar 16, 20155 votes

no badge, no opinion, pls

Says someone who doesn't have one show up on the NA forum. So GTFO OCE.

The Bíg TicketMar 16, 20152 votes

Malzahar

W E R dead Sejuani

Thank me later

thinking manMar 18, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Paulrus,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VfcvX19q,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-03-16T13:56:41.601+0000)

How to kill sejuani:

As an AD: + As an AP: +

Also, don't forget your typical tank/everything destroyers: , AP , , , ...and the list goes on and on.

Brand

Katarina

Varus

"tank shredders"

lol

MartyrofsandMar 16, 20153 votes

There is this thing called the early game you should abuse it. Sej is a hyper tank and if you let her get to late game you deserve to have to deal with that unkillable behemoth much like if you let Kog/Vayne/Nasus/etc get to their late games you deserve to get wrecked.

RuGuMar 16, 20151 votes

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There is this thing called the early game you should abuse it. Sej is a hyper tank and if you let her get to late game you deserve to have to deal with that unkillable behemoth much like if you let Kog/Vayne/Nasus/etc get to their late games you deserve to get wrecked.

Pretty true statement here, my only interjection would be that riot artificially extended the game so they all almost end up going to mid-late even when you are destroying the enemy and made counter jungling early a bit harder recently. Both of these things work in Sej / Mumu's / Zac's favor. You also don't always get to counter pick a champ like that so shutting them down early becomes even harder.

Lost In TimeMar 16, 20151 votes

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There is this thing called the early game you should abuse it. Sej is a hyper tank and if you let her get to late game you deserve to have to deal with that unkillable behemoth much like if you let Kog/Vayne/Nasus/etc get to their late games you deserve to get wrecked.

This isn't dota, so you can take your outdated ideologies out somewhere else.

especially when games easily go past the 40 minute marker.

AbyssphereMar 16, 20152 votes

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This isn't dota, so you can take your outdated ideologies out somewhere else.

especially when games easily go past the 40 minute marker.

If the idea of hyper-carries/tanks is an outdated DOTA ideology then a lot of champions need changes. Riot is fine with hyper-scalers, so Sej becoming unkillable is very much allowed.

BeatzBoyFTWMar 16, 20153 votes

Sorry, but just saying the first thing that popped in my head:

Malix FarwinMar 16, 20151 votes

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Sorry, but just saying the first thing that popped in my head:

the story of my life in bronze lol. Hell i had a game i literally walked past zac and killed their carry and mid.

mvargusMar 16, 20151 votes

I love this picture! :)

Muted SummonerMar 16, 20152 votes

Yeah BOTRK with enough armor pen is plenty enough to kill her with crits and high atk speed. If your picking adcs without self peel your gona have trouble escaping sejuani. Vayne wrecks her being able to tumble away and condemn her away. Any AP mage with decent aoe with the above items will shred her. If she is carrying a game, more than likely your team lacks cc and/or the items/champions to counter it. Keep in mind sometimes its simply just because 1 team is better than the other.

WolfChasesMar 16, 20152 votes

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Can we stop buffing champions and then introducing items that now no longer provide a "weakness" to that said champion?

You did the same shit with Tristana

Sejuani on your permaban list?

I am playing LoL since early s3, and this is the 1st time I actually see Sejuani and some other tanks as viable picks and I am happy about that. All Lee Sin, Jarvan, Vi and Nidalee mains shoyld stop crying cuz their tears are not delicious.

NarvuntienMar 16, 20151 votes

not going to lie she is pretty great... I was playing her to sucess before the buffs.

Her first clear is still tricky though just don't let her get to late game untouched or she will win teamfights.

SionideCNMar 16, 20151 votes

Vayne can just tumble away from sej

Well good, that means she's not in the fight and I'm doing my job, once she blows her tumble to run away from the fight I can just turn around and help win a 5v4.

MartyrofsandMar 16, 20154 votes

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Well good, that means she's not in the fight and I'm doing my job, once she blows her tumble to run away from the fight I can just turn around and help win a 5v4.

Because blowing that 2 second CD tumble is totally a huge thing...yeah sorry but u didn't zone vayne just because she tumbled.

As for the rest of this you don't have to end a game by a specific time to prevent someone from reaching late game, what you do have to do however is keep them down. When ai go counter jungle heavy, say a shyvana, Sej is gonna be luck to get 2 camps per clear with how aggressive I'll fight in her jungle, and most of my jungle at that point is going to my team pushing them even further ahead. Keeping sej down like that and giving my team that edge lets us take a game to 30-40 minutes with sej still on 2-3 items mean while my team is nearing full build and we close the game out.

Lost In TimeMar 17, 20151 votes

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Because blowing that 2 second CD tumble is totally a huge thing...yeah sorry but u didn't zone vayne just because she tumbled.

As for the rest of this you don't have to end a game by a specific time to prevent someone from reaching late game, what you do have to do however is keep them down. When ai go counter jungle heavy, say a shyvana, Sej is gonna be luck to get 2 camps per clear with how aggressive I'll fight in her jungle, and most of my jungle at that point is going to my team pushing them even further ahead. Keeping sej down like that and giving my team that edge lets us take a game to 30-40 minutes with sej still on 2-3 items mean while my team is nearing full build and we close the game out.

Stop talking about Vayne like you actually played her.

Vayne isn't a late-game monster unless she is well ahead - her teamfight presence is trash (take this from someone who played well over 100 ranked games last season as her). If she tumbles away, that cooldown is 8 seconds. Vayne is only good as a duelist and skirmisher.

thnx

MartyrofsandMar 17, 20152 votes

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Stop talking about Vayne like you actually played her.

Vayne isn't a late-game monster unless she is well ahead - her teamfight presence is trash (take this from someone who played well over 100 ranked games last season as her). If she tumbles away, that cooldown is 8 seconds. Vayne is only good as a duelist and skirmisher.

Eh I know this is bait but...nomnom

Vaynes tumble CD goes from 6 second CD to 2 second CD as you level it up and she is very much a late game team fighting terror.

Muted SummonerMar 16, 20152 votes

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Well good, that means she's not in the fight and I'm doing my job, once she blows her tumble to run away from the fight I can just turn around and help win a 5v4.

Vayne will attack the closest target, shes not just gona tumble away and run away. Shes gona kite, at least a good Vayne would. If Vayne can only target Sejuani, her 3rd hit including BOTRK, will shred Sej not to mention vayne with botrk can slow sejuani with the item active go invisible and tumble away while on a very low cd for the tumble. Unless Vayne gets caught your gona need a lot more to get to her which in return will leave your carries to her team. Vaynes one of the few adcs if chased she can potentially Kite very well and kill her chasing targets.

SionideCNMar 16, 20151 votes

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Vayne will attack the closest target, shes not just gona tumble away and run away. Shes gona kite, at least a good Vayne would. If Vayne can only target Sejuani, her 3rd hit including BOTRK, will shred Sej not to mention vayne with botrk can slow sejuani with the item active go invisible and tumble away while on a very low cd for the tumble. Unless Vayne gets caught your gona need a lot more to get to her which in return will leave your carries to her team. Vaynes one of the few adcs if chased she can potentially Kite very well and kill her chasing targets.

"Shred" a target with 280~ armor and 4k health?

riiiighht; Vayne just has really good scaling on her Q and a nice steroid, she's nothing special and is actually a pretty terrible adc right now.

Muted SummonerMar 17, 20152 votes

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"Shred" a target with 280~ armor and 4k health?

riiiighht; Vayne just has really good scaling on her Q and a nice steroid, she's nothing special and is actually a pretty terrible adc right now.

Vayne can deal true damage, botrk deal hp % damage with armor pen and crit shes gona deal a lot of damage. Regardless of her being a bad adc which she isn't, she can do her job quite nicely, Right now ADCs in general don't do much unless they are ahead or until a certain phase of the game. They rely heavily on their team. Vayne is one of the adcs if chased she has great kiting power. Allowing the game to get that far ahead for a jungler normally means you or your team isn't performing to well. Of course a full build sejuani is dangerous. A full build any thing is fearful.

You are trying to say because "IF" sejuani gets all that armor its rip on Vayne..Its not. Vayne isn't the only adc that can do their job good. It really comes down to team work. As long as any Carry doesn't get ulted by Sejuani and chain cced they will be fine against Sejuani. If sej and her team gets fed its not gona be just Sej carrying that game.

Don't look at stats and all the other bs and try to determine if a game is winnable or losable and you should just /ff or give up without even trying. The game is skill based and requires team work.

If my adc is being chased By Sejuani I will peel for her. This isn't a 1 v 1 scenario.

SionideCNMar 17, 20151 votes

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Vayne can deal true damage, botrk deal hp % damage with armor pen and crit shes gona deal a lot of damage. Regardless of her being a bad adc which she isn't, she can do her job quite nicely, Right now ADCs in general don't do much unless they are ahead or until a certain phase of the game. They rely heavily on their team. Vayne is one of the adcs if chased she has great kiting power. Allowing the game to get that far ahead for a jungler normally means you or your team isn't performing to well. Of course a full build sejuani is dangerous. A full build any thing is fearful.

You are trying to say because "IF" sejuani gets all that armor its rip on Vayne..Its not. Vayne isn't the only adc that can do their job good. It really comes down to team work. As long as any Carry doesn't get ulted by Sejuani and chain cced they will be fine against Sejuani. If sej and her team gets fed its not gona be just Sej carrying that game.

Don't look at stats and all the other bs and try to determine if a game is winnable or losable and you should just /ff or give up without even trying. The game is skill based and requires team work.

If my adc is being chased By Sejuani I will peel for her. This isn't a 1 v 1 scenario.

And both parts of BotRK deal physical damage!; Armor will reduce that.

Vayne's true damage is pretty negligible when you're a full tank, if she needs her true damage to actually do damage to you then she's not in a good spot; and if you go to peel off sej from your vayne then good job, you're doing your job. - And no, you're wrong, it's not 'as long as the carries don't get hit' it's 'As long as the ult hits only one person'. Becuase hitting two people, no matter who it is will let us just ignore the people who are stunned and murder the rest of your team, you don't need to use sej's ult to kill the people you hit, you use it to take them out of the fight.

Also yes, vayne is in a bad spot right now, she doesn't have a build that works for her. She can't go tri-force without being murdered by sustained damage that any adc who can build IE will deal, and if she builds botrk then she'll just kinda... do nothing early on. She scales well but the way bot lane is right now basically makes anyone who play vayne a free win until everyone has 2/3 items. You can snowball really easy since she just doesn't do any damage until three items.

Muted SummonerMar 18, 20151 votes

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Also yes, vayne is in a bad spot right now, she doesn't have a build that works for her. She can't go tri-force without being murdered

Hopefully Vayne doesn't go triforce.

Sejuani didn't see much play but with items removed or added to the game, Older champions sometimes tend to see more play. Take Viktor for an example. Despite these being older champions in some eyes they are almost considered new. Why is that some may ask? People didn't play with them a lot or against them. With champions getting nerfed and item changes its gona take time for people to learn how to deal with them.

This whole thread is nothing more than a venting thread. The OP loses a game to Sejuani despite hes won games against her before(match history) shes over powered? Nah OP was just upset that a Sej got fed and he lost. Instead of saying maybe I did bad or my team did bad its "This champion" Last thing we need is for Sejuani to get nerfed like Darius did all those years ago because noobs demanded it.

SookoMar 16, 20151 votes

Oh no! A strong tank for a change that doesn't get bursted down easily!

SmokingPuffinMar 16, 20151 votes

Can we stop buffing champions and then introducing items that now no longer provide a "weakness" to that said champion?

Sejuani still has weaknesses. They haven't changed -- slow early clears, weak sustain, poor dueling.

You're right that she's OP because of item changes, but what would you propose to do? Anytime you introduce new items, the balance will change in a generally unpredictable way. You know Sejuani will get better because Cinderhulk, but you don't really know how much better without real experience. Thus, if you choose to nerf Sejuani up front, you'll probably get the magnitude of that nerf wrong.