These are the kind of losses I hate

awdaf·May 13, 2017·12 votes·950 views

We lost because of Teemo, not because he went 3/10, I mean, that's part of it, but the actual champion pick screwed the game. Do you know what you provide to the team when you play Teemo? And you fall behind just a little? Absolutely nothing. No stun, no hard cc, the only thing you can hope to do is Blind someone or lay a shroom fast enough to slow and deal AoE damage.

Compare it to if he would have taken Even ffs, you would be so much more impactful, and have such a higher chance of winning if you choose someone that HELPS, your team.

Yeah, but here we go, bring on the down votes because of the people saying "People can play what they want to play, deal with it" or "Teemo is a fine champion" or "You should of played around him". No, go away.

47 Comments

Dasdi96May 13, 20175 votes

The OP is right. Teemo is a completely selfish pick that provides nothing to the team but damage, and even then he is outclasses in that department. Playing teemo in ranked is like intentional feeding.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20177 votes

no its not... and to think that is just stupid

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20173 votes

ok so when teemo picked what pick was he in your champ select?

awdafMay 13, 20171 votes

I don't remember, but it doesn't matter, whether it is picked first or last, it shouldn't be taken in ranked.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20179 votes

WRONG

and the fact that you cant see that is part of the issue

if he was 1st pick and your team picked the way they did knowing teemo was picked and jungle went ad carry, mid is only form of cc, support has no tank or cc abilities and cant peel for either graves or vayne

its NOTS TEEEMO FAULT

it is the rest of the team failure to pick accordingly to make a proper team comp

awdafMay 13, 20172 votes

Lol no, because you can't build a team comp around Teemo, he provides nothing that a team comp would want, you can't build around him.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20177 votes

you are wrong again...

he can provide a lot of damage and mixed damage from ranged...

awdafMay 13, 20172 votes

I can't argue with someone who doesn't know the fundamentals of the game.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20179 votes

you cant argue cuz you have nothing to stand on for your arguement you are just bitter and sour for losing a game and wanna blame it on the champ instead of the individual player , or give the enemy any credit for winning...

your team had no tank, no engage, no cc, no peel and you are vs Yasuo LeeSin

awdafMay 13, 20171 votes

I wonder why we had no tank.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20174 votes

ok why didnt support pick tank or jungle ? why to you make the responsibility on top lane ? hence is why i asked when was teemo picked in your champ select

CUZ IT FUKIN MATTTERS

awdafMay 13, 20171 votes

Even if support went a tank, he would be short on gold, and won't be as tanky, OR, have the kit of a tank, it wouldn't provide the necessary things needed to be an actual tank.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20175 votes

jungle ? tank jungles exist

awdafMay 13, 20171 votes

Sure, if you want to fall behind and not have lane pressure.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20177 votes

see now you are just tryng to find any excuse to make its fault of the one player instead of the entire team and all involved

nunu jungle is viable he has the 2nd highest win rate of 54.51% ivern highest win rate at jungle sej 3rd highest warwick is a tanky bruiser jugler elise is over 50% win rate jax would of been good vs yasou as a jungle pick but your jungler picks a jungler with a lower win rate then all of these

your adc has the 14th win rate adc in the game when there are only 16 adcs velkoz support has one of the lowest win rates at support being 48.44%

when supports like thresh is #1 maokai #2 blitz #4 alistart #6 leona #7 hell braum is better then velkoz

and then you say tanky support wouldnt have the gold to be a tank well neither does an AP damage support to provide enough damage cuz of lack of gold.

Corvo AttanoMay 13, 20174 votes

Hmm

Delicious, tasty

STATISTICS

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20173 votes

is what im stating in this thread hard to understand ?

if so plz tell me

LyndrisMay 13, 20172 votes

You make amazing sense to me. I prefer teemo actually start taking the LANE of his MARKSMEN role though

OelykMay 14, 20171 votes

It's not fundamental, it's just meta.

Don't mix those up, Teemo comps do exist, they just don't really do all that great.

chipndip1May 13, 20171 votes

Sorry, Sunshine, but I gotta disagree. Teemo's really bad, and there's a difference between providing damage and providing useful damage. Anyone can deal damage when fed, but part of being a good champion is how well and often you can get fed from a neutral state, which Teemo has a hard time doing if he's not bullying melee champs.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20175 votes

dude out of the champs picked on his team Teemo 50.99% win rate Graves 49.23% win rate Orianna 48.53% win rate Vayne 48.27% win rate Velkoz 48.44% win rate

what champ has the highest win rate?

and like i said if teemo was picked before the rest of his team then its not on teemo , the rest of the players could of picked better champs as well

chipndip1May 13, 20171 votes

Graves has more than 5 times Teemo's play rate in Diamond play according to LeagueofGraphs. Orianna, too, but she has a similar win rate to Teemo, which is 50.6%. Vel'Koz just has a higher win rate outright and a slightly higher play rate. Vayne is also played more by a considerable margin.

It takes Teemo mains to inflate Teemo to just barely passing general win rates. Regardless, Teemo himself doesn't do anything for team comps. He's just there. If he gets fed he's even more there, but all he does is dish out unavoidable ap damage with no utility or major carry potential. He's not useful in comparison to what could take his place.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20176 votes

ok but my original point if the team picked what they did after teemo picked then how is it on teemo that he picked teemo and wasnt a tank or engage champ for team?

if teemo picked 1st before all of his teammates and his team saw what he picked... then they proceeded to pick how they did you blame the ENTIRE TEAM FOR NOT HAVING A PROPER TEAM COMP

and you can say what you want about pick rate in diamond etc what ever the win rates are pulled from plat ranks and higher...

chipndip1May 13, 20171 votes

The issue when it comes to Teemo and team comps is that Teemo goes where your hard cc and front line should go. He also goes where you'd substitute that for a strong melee carry champ. He ALSO goes where you'd put the occasional battle mage like Vlad or Swain. What does he bring when he loses out on what these guys provide? Nothing. Anyone deals damage...but Teemo doesn't do anything else. It's just a huge burden on team comps.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20176 votes

ok but WHO picked their champ 1st? was my point... then the OP said junglers cant be tanks and that supports cant be tanks... and i disproved that as well...

if you team sees teemo picked locked in 1st and you proceeded not to pick any kind of tank, cc, front line, peel etc THAT IS ON THE TEAM not the individual who 1st picked TEEMO

how is that hard to understand?

like for example if IM LAST PICK and i see carry jungler, mage burst mid, maybe a diver top and im support? im not picking sona... im picking NAUT, LEONA, BRAUM ect cuz I SEE WHAT MY TEAM PICKED.

now if im 1st pick and i pick SONA as support and my team fails to pick a front line that isnt ON ME

LyndrisMay 13, 20171 votes

Like any marksmen? I think he should take the bot carry role imo

chipndip1May 14, 20171 votes

He should...but he has 500 range and no poke spell. On top of that he's horribly squishy with no outplay mechanics.

nGioMay 14, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VdY5Uqf7,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-13T17:59:16.907+0000)

you are wrong again...

he can provide a lot of damage and mixed damage from ranged...

With the bork/Mallet on hit into Randuin's/Tabi? I mean, there are plenty of champions that you can do that same build on, and deal and tank more damage. At least if he just went damage, he'd be a threat or be able to take someone to the grave with him. When your Teemo has 250 armor and 3k health, something went terribly wrong.

On another note, LeeSin Yasuo Lucian on the same team would have had my ass outta there before the shit even got started.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 14, 20172 votes

ok from the way it looks that teemo picked top blind and then got countered by the yasou top pick so he build armor vs that.. and if you READ all my comments i asked the OP what pick did teemo pick ? 1st? last? etc he said he dont know/cant remember. and if you are 1st pick and pick whatever champ you wanna play you your team dont pick accordingly to round out to a proper team comp then how is it on the 1st pick who picked not knowing what everyone else was going to pick?

so for the OP to blame the teemo that he didnt pick a better champ well the blame is on the rest of the team as well for not picking better picks to round out the team comp.

that is my WHOLE POINT OF MY ARGUMENT

PhDs NutsMay 14, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VdY5Uqf7,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-13T17:59:16.907+0000)

you are wrong again...

he can provide a lot of damage and mixed damage from ranged...

He built BORK and Mallet. He wasn't going to be dealing the kind of damage you can build around. He could have picked Kennen, built the same thing (or replace Mallet with Runaan), and been useful.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 14, 20171 votes

the OP is blaming the lost on picking teemo not teemos build

PhDs NutsMay 14, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VdY5Uqf7,comment-id=0000000000000000000000030000,timestamp=2017-05-14T02:56:13.847+0000)

the OP is blaming the lost on picking teemo not teemos build

And you're both wrong. Teemo can be useful, but this one wasn't going to be. AP Teemo with 2 items would have been more useful than this one with 3.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 14, 20172 votes

how am i wrong?

read my entire statements regarding the teemo pick. teemo can provide alot of mix damage and typically has one of the highest damage per games out of any champ and in this team comp the OP is crying over teemo as a champ has the HIGHEST WIN RATE of the entire team comp.

so plz read my comments as a whole

PhDs NutsMay 14, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VdY5Uqf7,comment-id=000000000000000000000003000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-14T03:03:34.262+0000)

how am i wrong?

read my entire statements regarding the teemo pick. teemo can provide alot of mix damage and typically has one of the highest damage per games out of any champ and in this team comp the OP is crying over teemo as a champ has the HIGHEST WIN RATE of the entire team comp.

so plz read my comments as a whole

I did. But this Teemo, building what he built, while behind, wasn't going to be a damage threat.

But the team comp as a whole is garbage. Only hope is an Ori/Graves/Velkoz wombo.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 14, 20172 votes

do you consider he was behind and got tanky cuz he was countered by yasou and then couldnt do damage cuz he got countered picked? and his team didnt help by the way they picked?

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 13, 20173 votes

teemo has a 50.99% win rate which is more then viable for a top laner and has the 8th highest win % for games 35mins + being 53.12% and going up to 6th at 56.34% at 40 mins

Elkington VIMay 13, 20171 votes

I don't know, that Yasuo looks he hard carried. He can be a very difficult champion, for most of the roster, to deal with when he reaches full build, especially with a GA AND a Maw. Teemo is legit annoying as hell with that build. He used to build like that around season 2, until Riot fixed the way his poison ticks. It's not like their team comp was much better than yours either way. Their comp was all over the place, not even built around Yasuo, yet he still carried.

I imagine Rakan, despite his KDA, was the reason Yasuo was able to close out the game. He bit the bullet and went pure utility, gambling on his team carrying him, and succeeded. Jesus, it's almost like season 2 again, where the team with the most GAs wins. I smell a nerf for that item in the future, should have never been buffed honestly.

ClementineMay 13, 20171 votes

Graves didn't seem to help and you had a Velkoz support anyway. Game was lost in champ select, sorry to say

The DeckownerMay 13, 20171 votes

When you play a split pusher you need to get ahead and apply pressure to side lane, and you shouldn't be effective when behind, that is just how things are balanced.

LyndrisMay 13, 20171 votes

I just don't see why he goes top with item 3006 item 3146 item 3115 item 3085 item 3124 item 3091 , that's 120+45%AP on hit magic damage plus resist shred with all the might of Guinsoo, he makes for a very effective magic marksmen, a very unique niche i believe KogMaw is the only other i can think of. And with a blind and his mushrooms ganking his bot lane would be... irritating.

Fondling GemsMay 14, 20171 votes

I mean Kayle would fulfill that role better if that is what you are going for. Not that I have an opinion one way or another, just mentioning that there are alternate top lane options for that.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 14, 20172 votes

yes you are correct.. but the point of the complaint is that teemo didnt pick a proper champ as a top laner to be the tank/engage/cc of his team. and due to this is why the team lost the game.

i asked the OP in what order was teemo's pick , chances are he blind picked teemo 1st and got countered by yasou... and the rest of the team didnt pick a proper team comp , they went a range ad jungler, a zone/utility mage mid, a hyper carry bot and a full ap mage support

so with having teemo picked jungle could of gone with a tanker champ so could of support to fix and round out the team comp. regardless of teemo being viable or not or whatever people think of the champ its the over all team comp that did them in... not the teemo pick

Fondling GemsMay 14, 20171 votes

Note how I specified that I am staying out of this argument. Also note that I wasn't talking to the OP in any way. I was responding to Cosmic Vlix's comment on how he is the only real marksman who builds like that, to which I added Kayle.

I am not participating in the discussion here, I am helping out someone who missed something. Believe it or not I already read all your comments because they are higher up on the comment tree. If I wanted to give input on them I would have responded to you. Please spend your time arguing with people who are arguing with you, I hate seeing people waste their time on pointless things, it is a waste of your potential and time to do it and a waste of mine to have to correct you.

Thank you and have a nice day.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoMay 14, 20172 votes

correct me on what?

and i agreed with your comment by the way