This is damn sad when playing Mordekaiser

Beatrice falls·Sep 21, 2018·3 votes·1,189 views

You get t2 boots, but a with t1 boots can just run away and keep auto'ing you to death because none of your spell can reach her.

17 Comments

Brutalitops01Sep 21, 20181 votes

It's Ashe, man. Do you not know what her passive does? It slows you on-hit. Kinda sucks, yeah, but remember than another part of the passive is that critical hits double the slow, rather than doubling the damage. If you have a Rylai's and can get an ult or a Gunblade active on her, she's probably gonna die.

Beatrice fallsSep 21, 20182 votes

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It's Ashe, man. Do you not know what her passive does? It slows you on-hit. Kinda sucks, yeah, but remember than another part of the passive is that critical hits double the slow, rather than doubling the damage. If you have a Rylai's and can get an ult or a Gunblade active on her, she's probably gonna die.

Yeah I mean, after that she got t2 boots + Zeal and had a higher movement speed than I did... 370 for me, 396 for her

Just give the same movement speed as Pantheon to Mordekaiser and it'd be fine and I wouldn't rely on Rylai's

Brutalitops01Sep 21, 20182 votes

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Yeah I mean, after that she got t2 boots + Zeal and had a higher movement speed than I did... 370 for me, 396 for her

Just give the same movement speed as Pantheon to Mordekaiser and it'd be fine and I wouldn't rely on Rylai's

You don't understand how Morde works, do you? Yes, you will rely on Rylai's and probably on Dead Man's Plate to reach your target as him no matter what. Hextech Gunblade is what a lot of Morde players rush because it does a ton of damage and tacks on a 40% slow point and click, which makes it easier for them to get into range of the rest of their stuff.

The reality of Morde is that, after the Juggernaut update, he was so overpowered that he had to be nerfed to unplayability to be remotely balanced. If you're playing him, you're either a 1-trick who knows how to use him perfectly to stomp people or you're a trash player with no idea what you're doing who saw him and thought "this guy looks cool." He's high on the list for full VGU's, likely coming early next year. If I had to guess, I'd say it's probably gonna be the Kayle and Morgana rework, then the chain champion that they teased in the last road map, and then Morde. And he desperately needs it to be viable again.

DuskDaUmbreonSep 21, 20181 votes

Just use Gunblade. Point and click 40% slow. Or use W on someone and have them dash in.

D357R0Y3RSep 21, 20181 votes

checks morde mains https://i.gyazo.com/fb9cf9fe328475c36ce35a9451b3a084.png http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=geniusfromkara

wow, unviable, riot should buff him

redniwediSSep 21, 20183 votes

A good main can play their champion well in spite of their drawbacks and balance woes. If you want to see what a champion can do you look at it's mains.

If you want to talk about how a champion is doing you generally look at literally everyone else who plays the champion.

D357R0Y3RSep 21, 20184 votes

No Fuck no or we end up buffing Azir back to oppressive statue

this guy has 55% win rate, but 65% win rate on morde do you see the difference?

Compare this to LL stylish the former 700 lp challenger hardstuck D2 because zed is shit in high elo

redniwediSSep 21, 20181 votes

Right now it takes, on average, 25-30 ranked games to get above a 50% win rate on Azir. At 50+ ranked games played Azir has a 51% win rate across all regions. High rank Azir mains seem to have win rates around 60-80%, which is significantly different compared to someone who just plays Azir a lot.

If you ignored Azir's mains he wouldn't seem like he needs a buff.

D357R0Y3RSep 21, 20181 votes

Yes now Azir got overnerfed i'm not saying the opposite

If you ignored Azir's mains he wouldn't seem like he needs a buff.

he shouldn't be buffed in general because his design is so shit that he needs a heavy rework, else he gets broken everytime he gets buffed

But your logic was still wrong about mains and average players

redniwediSSep 21, 20181 votes

Are you going to say why my logic was wrong? I'd say it myself, but if I knew that my logic was wrong I wouldn't have said it.

I think I showed pretty well why what I said is correct. You said if mains are ignored when looking at how a champion is doing Azir would need buffs. I said his average win rate after 50 ranked games is 51%, which is a respectable win rate that does not require buffs. I think I won out on this round by successfully showing that Azir has a mastery curve that does not require any sort of buffs even among average, non-main players.

If you've got something for round 2 I'm all for it.

D357R0Y3RSep 21, 20181 votes

wait i expressed myself poorly

He NEEDS a buff but he SHOULD not get one, because of his kit and how it needs to be reworked

FyreWallSep 27, 20181 votes

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No Fuck no or we end up buffing Azir back to oppressive statue

this guy has 55% win rate, but 65% win rate on morde do you see the difference?

Compare this to LL stylish the former 700 lp challenger hardstuck D2 because zed is shit in high elo

The reason. Their win rate is so high is because skilled players are the only ones who main him, he has a .01% pick rate. I could throw ten matches and drop his win rate by 3%

Alex h8721Sep 21, 20182 votes

People other than Mordekaiser mains play ?

News to me lol

D357R0Y3RSep 21, 20181 votes

idk, can Deft be considered a Morde main?

http://www.op.gg/summoner/userName=%EA%BE%B8%EB%88%84%EB%9A%9C%EB%A3%A8%EB%AC%B4%EB%BF%8C%EC%91%A4

Alex h8721Sep 21, 20182 votes

Lol he played 1 game, plus its a bit different for pro's b/c they want to try to at least be able to play any possible pick, so they kinda have to try to git gud on everything

Beatrice fallsSep 21, 20181 votes

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checks morde mains https://i.gyazo.com/fb9cf9fe328475c36ce35a9451b3a084.png http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=geniusfromkara

wow, unviable, riot should buff him

https://i.gyazo.com/be7ff9be4486de00e5083684c910aa45.png hey I can do the same. Look so unviable unplayable, even pro-players stopped playing him.

D357R0Y3RSep 21, 20181 votes

wtf are you talking about? you did not do the same at all you went on leagueofgraph to find some random shit win rate, what I was doing was searching a high elo morde main that had 65% win rate on him over 130 games rofl?