Its turning once-skillful champions into braindead faceroll bots.
auto+R+auto+ignite OMG OUTPLAYED
blue smite (or ignite if hes a laner)+R+auto+Q
not even explaining this one
lol
auto (with shiv and duskblade)+E
E
PePsiLemoNN31 votesI could swear I saw front page posts complaining that assassins are useless.
WinTheWarOnPants2 votesThey are. But this item is still broke AF. Also, assassins aren't the only ones who get it. Sups + adc's are just more broken right now, which is why i don't want this item to be nerfed yet. This broken item is the only thing keeping a ton of assassin from being COMPLETELY worthless.
Troy24262114 votesIt helps kill a single target quickly. Assassins aren't overperforming, especially with enchanters being what they are right now.
MLDzXnRRR3 votesIt helps kill a single target quickly. Assassins aren't overperforming, especially with enchanters being what they are right now.
Assassins need to be rebalanced, not to rely on gimmicks. Also AP assasins don't have duskblade for spammable damage.
Troy2426214 votesAssassins need to be rebalanced, not to rely on gimmicks. Also AP assasins don't have duskblade for spammable damage.
for spammable damage and mana, or relying on 
for defense.
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and 
.Supports need to be rebalanced instead of relying on 
+ gold items + 
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/etc.
Daunt13 votes
Not saying assassins shouldn't be rebalanced but APs have choices as well.
WinTheWarOnPants2 votesAPs don't have choices either.*
FTFY
Daunt1 votesI mean, the choices are there. What annoys me, though, is how assassins are balanced around items so much.
As a Katarina main i simply have to get gunblade every game cause that's the only viable option available. And a lot of burst is usually attached to those items which leads to some unhealthy builds on champions who didn't get hit by the assassin update.
Personally, i'd just delete the majority of those items (especially gunblade and lich bane) and rework them from scratch.
WinTheWarOnPants1 votesi simply have to get gunblade every game cause that's the only viable option available
that's the point i was making lol
Personally, i'd just delete the majority of those items (especially gunblade and lich bane) and rework them from scratch.
lich is fine. scaling and stats maybe should be looks at on lich, but i agree with gunblade. It's currently keeping a lot of AP's viable similar to what 
is doing for AD assassins right now, but the item is busted IMO. The entire games itemization is fuked IMO. every class update changed items and now we have a huge mess.
Somebody Love Me1 votesGunblade is one of the most expensive first buys for AP champs, while duskblade is stupid cheap, and Lich bane with that make you need two items for what ADs only need one for, and it doesn't even give the busted ass sweeper passive. Sure, you get sustain instead, but that's usually gonna match the 
Veltox10 votesIt's completely necessary considering adc's are fucking ridiculous if you don't kill them quick.
hhaavviikk9 votesas long as we also delete infinity edge from the game
Celestial Lion122 votesthe problem right now with adcs is supports not ad items inherently
hhaavviikk7 votes[{quoted}](name=Celestial Lion12,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VcG0n7EE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-09-17T14:43:21.457+0000)
the problem right now with adcs is supports not ad items inherently
supports aren't making ADC's deal big burst damage with just infintiy edge + crit chance item
Shablagoo7 votesPretty much shows that the assassins rework failed because they had to add an item to make assassins function properly again.
Troy2426213 votesPretty much shows that the assassins rework failed because they had to add an item to make assassins function properly again.
doesn't always build lethality, he can still run his classic build (
) or bruiser.
can go bruiser, full AP or AD/AP hybrid.
and 
never build Lethality.
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/
can all also build bruiser, and I've even seen build crit before.But we're all going to pretend this build diversity within the assassin class doesn't exist, because it doesn't fit our narrative.
WinTheWarOnPants1 votes OTP here. Eve is her only viable build right now. Everything else sucks.
Shablagoo1 votes , wont build lethality because they are ap why are u even putting them their. Became op after the lethality buffs dominating mid and top too, also came back after the lethality buff, rengar was shit pre duskblade buff, kha was ok but why the fk would you build brusier when duskblade when its obviously better to build db. Also if they have to build bruiser it proves even more that it was a failure, delayed dmg doesnt work it just doesnt they want to make it work then mask it with an item that does insta burst. Shaco even when he doesnt build db has to go bruiser to work. Like i dont get how ppl can deny that the assassin rework only worked for two champs and the est are failures.
GULAG 4 U7 votesBecause assassins are overperforming amrite xD
jamesthemage15
Nope, no bias
Jet Sett6 votesI've never seen a Zed able to oneshot combo with just an auto from Duskblade.
Need Gold 4 Tent4 votesI think it is a problem once you see primarily AP champs starting to get a lethality item.
Arakadia2 votesWhat AP champions are getting lethality?
Need Gold 4 Tent3 votesWhat AP champions are getting lethality?
I am referring to duskblade, which is supposed to be an ad item. The ones I've come across are Fizz and Ekko so far, going duskblade/shiv/gunblade/ludens 1 shot build. Not that it'sbad to go a little hybrid, but when they're successfully using a lethality item when half their damage is magic, I'd say something is off.
Velzard of Koz1 votesTo be honest listing them isn't entirely fair. Yes, both of them scale better with AP practically. But they synergize. Fizz applies AD damage and on-hits on Q, Ekko's part of combo is E-mpowered basic attack. Even Akali might be able to play with the lethality.
Seeing a Mage go such item or even LeBlanc would be surprising. Seeing hybrid champions (with the exception Ekko isn't per say hybrid) taking AD item isn't that surprising.
Zed genius4 votesduskblade turns ad assassins into actual champions when they buy it lol
WinTheWarOnPants1 votesYou can't even build her AP anymore. 
is the only build that gives you enough dmg to do anything. just doesn't cut it anymore. You can kill stuff for a few mins but after 25 min adc's start to out duel you solo(if you can ever find one). AD itemization is just better in every way
Catastrop1 votesI beg to differ, now while I don't main her, she is one of my absolute favourite champions so feel free to disregard what I have to say since my experience on her isn't exactly up to par.
I've had success with hybrid on-hit build, I mostly focus on packing as much power into one single press of E.
, , 
, /, 
/
is my favourite variation and I adore it to bits. One E unloads so many things onto target that they pretty either straight up die or lose like 80%+ of their HP, not even accounting for Gunblade, Q and R.
WinTheWarOnPants1 votesIt works kinda. Just not as well as AD. I never get ludens, but is a decent combo since dusk proc scales with lvl and not AD. I only do this if my team is full AD though. The burst is about the same early, but falls off the face of the rift later. AD build stays good/decent all game and has more sustain dmg that a full AP build even when you built 1 or 2 tank/survive items like 
ect.
has more burst(about even early game), better sustain, better waveclear/splitpush and WAY more survivablilty that an AP build. She's also far less mana reliant, since she can still output tons of dmg while oom(AP does 0 dmg when oom).
Another huge bonus to her AD build is that her burst combo has virtually no CD. AP Eve burst revolves mostly around active which has a 40 second CD. She can still output dmg, but the burst isn't even close to when she does or compared to full AD burst combo which has a max CD of 10 seconds for the full dmg from active. and don't have a CD. ANOTHER thing to mention is gives you 20% cdr AND a really good passive vision sweeper, while only gives you 10 CDR and some heal sustain. AD just plain outclass AP in every way right now. Even though Eve has slightly better kit scaling with AP the difference between the 2 itemization is just TOO big right now.
Edit: i forgot to mention 
. IMO or
is probs her best AP build. You still have less sustain dmg and scaling, but it's a little closer. the bigggest problem is that building nashors is really rough on her because the build path is pretty shit and Eve really likes items with mid build power like 
etc
SmokinSickStyle3 votesI sort of agree, i love playing assassins because they have a combo that you can fuck up or you don't get the kill but now it's more forgiving since you have to AA once to deal huge damage.
Isn't it sad though? Assassins need an overtuned item that works with autoattacks because rightclicking to win has become more meta than before?Autoattacking is simple and requires 0 skill, you can't fuck it up.
It gives the largest powerspike of all items so they can snowball before enemy team groups up and cucks you hard.
You know the game balance is gone to shit when even ADC won't willingly abuse Duskblade or lethality anymore because crit + ardent cancer is much better.
All of this because assassins have more delayed damage and even if you land all of it you still won't tear through the amount of shielding and free % dmg reduction ADC gets from their team.
This is the worst meta i've played in, bruiser statchecking is not ok for Riot but it's completely fine when ADC does it.
I've seen many ADC just jump into enemies and stand still rightclicking entire teams just because they can, it has become the most braindead role in the game, as far as your team has the brain for you.
Lumendo3 votesNo, but it can delete you from the game xd
AmazoX3 votesYou mean escapists? Cause Assassin's are broken right now 
Requiemsfire2 votes
building has been one of the most cancerous things I've fought against in a while, despite falling off really hard later in the game.
big boi edri1 voteslol that's such a troll build
Asayake 5150glow2 votesDuskblade doesn't really help Quinn tho.
It just gives damage.
OHminus1 votesYou forgot the worst offender:
koshkyra1 votesKha was never a skillful champion and was always a braindead faceroll bot so i didnt list him
The DrBonjigollo1 votesHonestly I wish they'd revert it to when it first came out as a secondary Zed ult. I liked it back then, I'm not sure why it was changed but I'm sure it was for good reason but it was fun imo.
SnugglePuggle941 votesHell no. It was worse then. Although I don't like it the way it's now, it's much better than it was before.
Im Taylor Swift1 votesYeah delete duskblade,this will make us 13 quinn mains in the world learn for abusing a op champ.
scribbles7821 votesI'm a Talon main. Downvoted.
"Pathetic."
AlexisTheDragon1 votesWhen im rushing warmogs, got 2200 REALLY early game and 130 armour and I'm getting insta killed be a riven with ZERO kills (aren't rivens meant to snowball?) and only having one item (duskblade) there is something up.
The entire team isn't doing much dmg to me at all then suddenly this non-fed not even one kill riven takes me to like 10% hp in an instant, the fuck is this?
PopcornBunni1 votesLethality still isn't tuned properly, but duskblade is definitely the outlier in particular. Another part of the problem is the overload of cdr on the items.
AD: 25 -> 20
Lethality: 12 -> 14
Build Path: + 
+ 700g (2900g) -> + 
+ 1225g (3200 g)
AD: 55 -> 50
Cooldown Reduction: 10% -> 0%
Nightstalker cooldown: None -> 20 seconds
Nightstalker effect: 65 -320 physical damage (-20 damage for ranged) based on level (and 99% slow for melee)
-> 30-370 physical damage based on level (20-275 damage for ranged) and 99% slow for all users
NEW: Nightstalker is also expended on minion or monster attack
Rougher build path in favor of better defensive stat gained, being the lethality purchase meant for counterplay
Build Path: + + 
+725g (3100 g) -> + 
+ +1050g (2900g)
Health 250 -> 350
AD: 55 -> 40
AD: 55 -> 45
Unique active duration: 6s -> 7s
