They gave LB a skin, I'm giving her the permaban.

50CaliberHecate·Nov 15, 2018·66 votes·17,388 views

Yea, gonna ban her out until some new skin hype arrives later on for some other mid.

65 Comments

Tr4shB4NSYST3MNov 16, 201816 votes

Perma-banning Leblanc from your games is generally a solid strategic choice unless your mid wants to 1st or 2nd pick her.

Between her mobility w/ W (and the snap-back) as well as having A whole MonkeyKing W (that is automatic) as a passive, make her a pain in the ass for any midlaner without super reliable Hard CC.

And thats without even mentioning her point and click burst, or chain w/ what seems to be a way bigger hitbox than the indicator and a super long tether range (I LOVE that she can W in, hit an easy chain, W back and it still stays tethered, totally taking a risk to proc that hard CC amirite!?!)

In short, Leblanc revert was a mistake

50CaliberHecateNov 16, 20187 votes

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Perma-banning from your games is generally a solid strategic choice unless your mid wants to 1st or 2nd pick her.

Between her mobility w/ W (and the snap-back) as well as having A whole W (that is automatic) as a passive, make her a pain in the ass for any midlaner without super reliable Hard CC.

And thats without even mentioning her point and click burst, or chain w/ what seems to be a way bigger hitbox than the indicator and a super long tether range (I LOVE that she can W in, hit an easy chain, W back and it still stays tethered, totally taking a risk to proc that hard CC amirite!?!)

In short, revert was a mistake

I think it's completely BS that her tether is longer than Flash. That's the most tilting thing I think about her. Feels like her tether is as long as Jinx's ult. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

JeaneGreeneNov 16, 20183 votes

“Revert was a mistake”

You are wrong. Very wrong.

SnowbrandNov 16, 20188 votes

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“Revert was a mistake”

You are wrong. Very wrong.

No, there is a reason LB is usually my permaban now. The revert was a big mistake. I rarely banned LB when she was reworked, but now I have to. Until she gets a new rework, I will keep banning her. Watching your adc melt in 0.2 sec isn't fun.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 17, 20181 votes

Yes because her rework was nerfed into the ground until noone played her anymore????

Reverting her was the right choice. Not nerfing her in the last patch is on riots shit design team full of morons.

JeaneGreeneNov 17, 20181 votes

I see you haven’t come across Quadra-Proc Leblanc? Because her clone counted on hit effects, she could spawn a clone and proceed to proc Lichbane and other similar effects multiple times, deleting your adc without even having to dash at their location. Combined with the best waveclear, roaming and really damn good team fighting, she turned into a “Ryze” of sorts: she needed to be nerfed into the ground to be balanced.

SnowbrandNov 17, 20181 votes

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I see you haven’t come across Quadra-Proc Leblanc? Because her clone counted on hit effects, she could spawn a clone and proceed to proc Lichbane and other similar effects multiple times, deleting your adc without even having to dash at their location. Combined with the best waveclear, roaming and really damn good team fighting, she turned into a “Ryze” of sorts: she needed to be nerfed into the ground to be balanced.

No I haven't actually? Maybe I should? Yea it sounds broken. I honestly don't remember, but did her clone use her last spell? I thought it was just that her clone made it look like she used an ability without actually using like it is now with her clone where she can't use clone to use abilities like that? They could probably just change that so the clone just is used as a clone, without actually doing dmg. But then, I don't say the rework got it's problem. I just prefered it over the old LB that got more problems.

JeaneGreeneNov 18, 20181 votes

The clone had base AD, so anything that could proc off of an auto would work. The most degenerate Q-R(Q)’s would happen that would delete people extremely fast. I do miss R(R) tho...

Ari chąnNov 16, 201811 votes

Implying LB mains are going to buy that poor excuse of a skin LMAO, sorry but we LB mains have standards.

Hexs FortuneNov 16, 20181 votes

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Implying LB mains are going to buy that poor excuse of a skin LMAO, sorry but we LB mains have standards.

Program just doesnt sell as well as project

HawtNov 16, 20182 votes

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Program just doesnt sell as well as project

They should change the default color from green orange to something more appealing like angelic white and gold or silver ect.

DonatellaVersaceNov 16, 20184 votes

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Implying LB mains are going to buy that poor excuse of a skin LMAO, sorry but we LB mains have standards.

Omg literally tea.

PoskeNov 16, 20181 votes

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Implying LB mains are going to buy that poor excuse of a skin LMAO, sorry but we LB mains have standards.

Implying that real LB Mains didnt quit this champ when she got GutDelayreverted But yes a skin is trash reggardless

MetaVolcaNov 16, 20189 votes

But the skin is terrible and most LB mains agree.

ﬂooNov 16, 20181 votes

What's so bad about it? Just curious

JeaneGreeneNov 16, 20183 votes

Poorly designed, not much innovation, doesn’t fit Leblanc “feel” (turns her from a diva into a basic thot), is yet another robot skin and the riot team had far better ideas on hand.

ﬂooNov 16, 20182 votes

Tbh I really like her design. The holographic head looks nice, her W fits well imo. + she didn't have a futuristic skin yet. Program fits better than a project villain or the new skinline with graves & fiddle

Sexy Jack RabbitNov 16, 20181 votes

What about it is Poor designed? What about is not innovative?

You're just throwing around nouns.

JeaneGreeneNov 17, 20181 votes

It has bugs, has bad/ low quality voice lines, it is another basic robot skin (program) and doesn’t actually create something new or exciting besides the greenish visuals. Compared to something like Ravenborn, it is a whole step worse

iiGazeiiNov 15, 20186 votes

You have several options:

Punish her poor waveclear by pushing her into tower and backing up, forcing her to use Distortion on the wave (i.e., not you)
Poke her so she can't safely all-in while staying safe. Don't step up too far. She falls off hard into the late game because her teamfight game is garbage. LeBlanc is good at one thing and one thing only, and that is killing one person. Like laning against most assassins, your job is not to kill her, it's to survive her and let your tanks handle her later on.
Buy Banshee's Veil. It screws up her combos and makes you require much more resources to take down.

ŠejuaniNov 15, 201850 votes

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You have several options:

Punish her poor waveclear by pushing her into tower and backing up, forcing her to use Distortion on the wave (i.e., not you)

Poke her so she can't safely all-in while staying safe. Don't step up too far. She falls off hard into the late game because her teamfight game is garbage. LeBlanc is good at one thing and one thing only, and that is killing one person. Like laning against most assassins, your job is not to kill her, it's to survive her and let your tanks handle her later on.

Buy Banshee's Veil. It screws up her combos and makes you require much more resources to take down.

What if I can't punish her poor waveclear by shoving her beccuase every fucking time I come within 800 units of the minion wave I get instantly deleted?

ZackTheWaffleManNov 15, 20186 votes

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What if I can't punish her poor waveclear by shoving her beccuase every fucking time I come within 800 units of the minion wave I get instantly deleted?

who are you playing

ŠejuaniNov 15, 20183 votes

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who are you playing

Orianna Cassiopeia Ahri Kayle Annie Anivia

ZackTheWaffleManNov 15, 20181 votes

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Annie: save stun Ahri: save charm

loli fidlerNov 15, 20187 votes

im a otp Anivia and boi is she hard to deal with on her but if you can manage to stun her she be real squish (i find not poping q till its definetly over her and trying to line it up with the maker of where she dshed from incase she does blink bakc is a good way of hurting her hard and punishing her) i do ban her most the time tho cuz she is annyoingly hard to deal with as aniva but hey its a real bad match up

My Waifu VanillaNov 16, 20181 votes

All you have to do is hit 6, buy catalyst and merc tread, and then shove her under tower and ignore her. She can't roam and you shouldn't be burstable.

EmpressOfBeautyNov 16, 20185 votes

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Cassiopeia can counter her easily. Annie as well. Ahri is a skill matchup, land your charm first.

NineTailedMysticNov 16, 20189 votes

Ahri vs LB hasn't been a skill matchup since they took away Ahri E stopping LB W.

JeaneGreeneNov 16, 20181 votes

She will get charmed mid-way, if that is what you are referring to

NineTailedMysticNov 16, 20185 votes

Before though, Charming LeBlanc while she was dashing stopped the dash completely. No damage. No return until the CC wears off. Full CD. If you were a good Ahri you could completely CRUSH Leblancs since she'd never have the change to hit you with her big damage.

Got removed late S5 though, iirc.

GayFluffyUnicornNov 17, 20181 votes

"good ahri". Meaning pressing E into leblancs heavily telegraphed W? Who also got her W speed nerfeD?

JeaneGreeneNov 17, 20181 votes

I’m pretty sure Leblanc doesn’t have an “unstoppable” (in the same vein as Irelia) on her W. If she gets hit by any movement preventing CC, she will be affected by it. Examples are Lux Q and Veigar E. If you are so worried about you hitting her, know that if you get an E, you should be able to Q->W-> Ignite and take most, of not all of Leblanc’s health

SSW TalonNov 17, 20181 votes

It's not LeBlanc having an unstoppable it's how Ahri E works, the only dashes it interrupts are actually an unintended bug (for example, it can completely cancel Talon Q and I think she could completely cancel old Akali R as well), Riot patched out Charm interrupting (most) dashes.

JeaneGreeneNov 18, 20181 votes

Oh rip. Leblanc sends love

JeaneGreeneNov 16, 20183 votes

*plays Annie but simultaneously struggles against Leblanc

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

You have a point and click stun.

ShirvallahNov 16, 20184 votes

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*plays Annie but simultaneously struggles against Leblanc

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

You have a point and click stun.

Ok, but LeBlanc has a point and click death. Idk what your point is.

Original SinNov 18, 20181 votes

If you dont build mr yea. no shit youre going to get one shot. People dont like to strategise in this game anymore. You guys dumb this game down too much.

Sharpest glassesNov 16, 20181 votes

would be faster to say every mid (minus maybe Irelia... But leblanc is the strongest mid atm).

TheSingularityNov 15, 20187 votes

Issue with shoving is it opens you up to ganks and makes the impossible to gank opponent even safer. Unless one is xerath there is no safely poking her without being poked back. She wins most trades due to her ability to avoid damage. The second part of point 2 is dead on. Honestly take it a step further. And pick a tank. Buy visage, abyssal and perma shove her. She has no choice but to roam and you get tower.

Banshees only screws and impatient player. If they poke you once in lane, you're never getting that shield back.

NyarlathοtepNov 16, 20181 votes

Even xerath is not safe actually. She doesnt need to w in his face to threaten him. All she has to do is throw an e and if xerath gets hit he is in deep shit.

PaffWasTakenNov 16, 20184 votes

I just perma ban her every time, new skin or not. Mid lane assassins are for some reason waaaaaaaaaaay too popular right now and Leblanc is one of the worst, if not THE worst of them all.

DarkTree1Nov 16, 20184 votes

but then you're not banning irelia, and you leave the irelia ban entirely up to your teammates, which is a very high chance that you're going to lose the game

Spicy RiceNov 16, 20182 votes

If I ban a counter to my champ, my team leaves irelia unbanned. If I ban irelia, my team leaves kaisa open, and if I ban kaisa, guess who the fuck is left unbanned