I have a dream that in season 5 Bruisers like Darius, Garen, Olaf, and Gangplank will be viable

IsIsGankedParis·Nov 11, 2014·83 votes·57,992 views

I have this dream that picking Garen top won't be considered useless or troll anymore.

I have a dream these bruisers won't forever be forced to be kited to oblivion and back but have a chance to get face to face with ADC's.

I have a dream where these types of Bruisers won't die in 4 auto attacks from ADC's late game.

We will reach this dream one day or another in the form of these bruisers receiving fair judgement, whether or not I or any of you make it to the mountain top just remember, the future generation will make it!

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RiotRiot DragglesOct 7, 2015104 votes

Mother of God... removes glasses

Mr Broken WingsOct 7, 20153 votes

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Mother of God... removes glasses

Yo you moved here as well? Do you still moderate the EU forums?:) Or are they pretty dead? And why do they have less sections? Never understood that! Pls no ignore draggles :c

DecritOct 7, 20151 votes

He is now the mememaster of Twitter and handles the social media there, plus still hops there and here in the forums. Don' t know the exact details tho, but he is doing a quite good job by praising john cena and shipping LeonaxDiana fanfiction.

https://twitter.com/RiotDraggles/status/644484067023540224

The now Tyrant of EU, Eambo, betrayed his fellow comrades wrenchman and became Red himself, leading a new era of terror where people eat a lot of pizza.

Which is good. Praise Eambo!

SKOBODOOct 7, 20154 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VVr0p7yW,comment-id=00220000,timestamp=2015-10-07T15:31:02.048+0000)

Yo you moved here as well? Do you still moderate the EU forums?:) Or are they pretty dead? And why do they have less sections? Never understood that! Pls no ignore draggles :c

I personally believe that it was a mistake to split the forums. Riot pretty much only post game-relevant replies on the NA forums, so EUW and EUNE have little reason to post on the EU-forums. It would be a better idea to have one large forum for English, and then a few smaller forums for other languages. They could also add some small subsections for NA, EUW, EUNE, in case there's any need to discuss various servers. Or just create a sticky thread for each server where English is an option.

DecritOct 7, 201512 votes

you, sir, have done a great service to the community by digging out this old thread. This will belong to a proper museum!

xlnqeniuzOct 7, 20152 votes

Ya'all totally planned it because of this thread.

I see through your lies Riot

NosterafyOct 7, 20151 votes

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ToastOnButterOct 7, 20151 votes

https://i.imgur.com/4hgAaHm.gif

Meep ManOct 7, 20151 votes

Its funny because out of all the immobile Bruisers updated, these are the exact ones that are making the most impact.

Kuro n ShiroOct 7, 20151 votes

Reported >=c

DeclinedOct 7, 20153 votes

How long have you waited to do this?

I get the feeling this thread was been the rule book for this season, or am I missing something?

MarbleWolfSep 24, 201524 votes

I'm so sorry to bring up an old thread, but I found this... and with the recent patches i'm like holy shit this guy is a prophet.

#JuggernautMetaOP

FeatherztormNov 11, 20147 votes

Out of those 4 bruisers, Garen is the only one that can make it to late game and not be completely useless. His damage absorption is beyond this world, and his damage output matches.

Rinky DinkyOct 8, 20151 votes

not true at all.

All 4 of those champions are very strong right now

ShortbreadOct 8, 20154 votes

You're responding to a year old comment.

Rinky DinkyOct 8, 20151 votes

rip me

redniwediSNov 11, 20145 votes

Garen is quickly making a name for himself in the current meta, let's just hope the new champ doesn't stop his ascent.

KirlinkOct 7, 20155 votes

THE DREAM CAME TRUE! IS THIS WHAT YOU WISHED FOR!?!?! THE ERA OF BRUISERS! WHY MUST YOU BESTOW SUCH GRIEF TO THE COMMUNITY!

This place must be magical.

Ummm Uhhhh

I Have a Dream, I will graduate school and get a job! I Have a Dream, I will have a nice family I Have a dream, That Above all of this, I get to master tier

DurzakaNov 12, 20144 votes

if olaf top could be viable again, i would be the happiest man in the world.

SoryInAdvanceJul 10, 20151 votes

i'd buy brolaf if that were the case. i want the skin but i will never play olaf cus he is so bad.

RogerChao7Oct 7, 20151 votes

Looks like I found the happiest man in the world? How you doing? :') Olaf Olaf Olaf Olaf

JPLangleyOct 7, 20154 votes

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bradOct 7, 20151 votes

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FragglerocNov 11, 20142 votes

I have the same dream. Living the dream. I'm playing Garen/Gangplank 24/7. Play them the relentless splitpushing kind... load up with a ton of wards to cover ur arse... then splitpush 24/7. Only base when u absolutely have to.

Both champs can clear CC and have a movespeed boost. That's enough to wreak absolute havoc on the enemy team.

edit: When I play, I'm like in this Zen mode... With absolute zero care for the world outside. =P

CaRTeLKiLLaNov 11, 20142 votes

Lol I used to get blamed for so many losses for picking Garen even after completely roflstomping my lane opponent and basically turning the game into a 5v4.5. The buff to his passive really helped him a lot giving him much needed sustain to maintain his health between fights so he can do his job of being a big scary guy that runs in, eats a bunch of CC, spins around for a few seconds then kills someone with his ult before dying himself. Darius is quite inconsistent, his usefulness in a teamfight often entirely revolves around whether or not he can flash pull one or more carries. If he lanes against a Nasus and builds damage after getting a few early kills he can easily become a midgame nightmare that double kills the enemy mid and jungler while Nasus gets pushed to his turret. If your team has already a tanky support and jungler he is much more effective as a peeler, especially vs a Nasus who has no gapcloser. The magic damage from his passive scales with the AD he gets from his items, along with his true damage and possibly a Black Cleaver he becomes a tank shredder who can easily demolish anyone foolish enough to dive his carries. On the other hand if he gets jungle camped he pretty much becomes a useless piece of crap who gets CCed and dies before he can even get 5 stacks on someone to ult them.

Kowe The EwokNov 11, 20142 votes

Gangplank is viable. Actually he is the one 2HKO'ing carries lategame.

Darius is getting reworked since he was severly broken and his basic kit design is beyond number changes.

Olaf was wronged, has to get the control over his axe back. He was hit too hard.

And Garen, well I love that guy - I started playing when he just got released... But sadly he won't ever be vible without a full rework. He's a champion which by kit design is either to strong or too weak. If they reduced his E's cooldown and lowered the damage they might be able to even it out... But as it seems he's here to stay an early game winner who doesn't scale well at all.

redniwediSNov 12, 20148 votes

Try taking another look at Garen. He is honestly in one of the most balanced spots he's ever been in at the moment.

Kowe The EwokNov 12, 20142 votes

While his passive grants him decent splittspushing abilities and his early game isn't exactly weak he just lacks teamfight presence. Even with his Q he can easily be kited. He has no DPS while his spin is down - and this spin has an incredibly high cooldown, even with CDR. His ultimate is a joke, it regularly fails to finish off enemies with 30% HP.

While Riot has been kind to other easy to play champions (namely: Annie), Garen seems to be doomed to always stay not underwhelming, but subpar most likely because of how easy to use he is.

SoryInAdvanceJul 10, 20152 votes

30% is a lot of leftover health, and it isn't really fair for one ability to do that much damage.

TheLonelyPhoxNov 12, 20141 votes

I feel Garen is super weak. He needs some of these (ideas)

Lower E cooldowns
True damage + magic scale R
E also applys a small slow to affected enemies
Entire Rework, but i don't feel this is necessary, just tweak some things and he could be an amazing anti-meta champ

aldlv13Nov 12, 20143 votes

I feel Garen is super weak. He needs some of these (ideas)

Lower E cooldowns

True damage + magic scale R

E also applys a small slow to affected enemies

Entire Rework, but i don't feel this is necessary, just tweak some things and he could be an amazing anti-meta champ

yeah lets just toss out more true damage. while we are at it lets give riven's widnslash true damage, and lets give ashe's ult true damage, don't forget jinx and cait's ults, hmm lets also make karthus's ult true damage....

in case you missed my meaning

NO TRUE DAMAGE especially not on gar-tank-you-for-10-minutes-straight-then-walk-away-with-kills-anyways-en

Robin Song RobinOct 8, 20151 votes

Hey, guess what happened to Garen Kappa

SookoNov 12, 20142 votes

I have a dream tanks will be viable! I have a dream that one day, building HP will be worth it without the downsides it brings today. I have a dream ranged top laners will one day become impossible to play against melee tops. I hope that one day building yourself around your foes damage will be superior to building damage of your own. I have a dream that one day... Sejuani Zac Nautilus and Shen become viable again!

SoryInAdvanceJul 10, 20151 votes

your dream was definitely answered.

TritanNov 12, 20142 votes

One thing is wrong, gangplank isnt bruiser :D

HE IS CRIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITPLANK!!!

JPLangleyOct 7, 20151 votes

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TritanOct 7, 20151 votes

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These Redditards are on the boards pls help defend gd

when you replied to that i thought someone hacked my account because i dont remember saying that

then i realized it was 11 months ago

SmokingPuffinNov 12, 20142 votes

I have a dream these bruisers won't forever be forced to be kited to oblivion and back but have a chance to get face to face with ADC's. I have a dream where these types of Bruisers won't die in 4 auto attacks from ADC's late game.

I don't think diving the ADC is the right role for the immobile bruiser. If we balance the game such that these guys can catch and kill an ADC, imagine what mobile bruisers like Riven or Irelia will do.

Instead, I think that immobile bruisers should be aimed at being good front liners. Think about these bruisers being good at killing enemy assassins and enemy bruisers, and being naturally weak against ADCs. Then teams can choose whether they want to try to protect their back line with a front line bruiser like Darius, or they want to kill the enemy back line with a diver like Irelia.

We will reach this dream one day or another in the form of these bruisers receiving fair judgement, whether or not I or any of you make it to the mountain top just remember, the future generation will make it!

Bruisers as a class get fair treatment. For each of the last three seasons, early season play was bruiser heaven and late season play was bruiser hell.

The problem here is that there is a pretty wide discrepancy in power level within the class. Over in ADC land, Lucian is strongish and Ezreal is weakish, but they're still able to fill the role about as well. In bruiser land, there is a comparatively vast gulf between Olaf/Garen and the top tier bruisers. We need balance within the class before we can really talk about balancing the Olafs and Garens of the world with other classes.

SparrowPriestNov 12, 20142 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXwzA9bqBac&list=UU9F1zQlakBV3zBzXypAbtWg Did someone say Demacia? DEMACIA!

Ser GarlandOct 7, 20152 votes

IF YOU WISH UPON A STAR!!!!!!

LlaniteNov 11, 20141 votes

Not just immobile bruisers, I play AD Fizz, 2 gap closers, 1 item ahead of the adc, still die with 2-3 lucky crit.

Current meta, melee are useless unless you have an aoe hard CC, or assassin who can 100-0 within 2s. Anything in between is not viable.

KingDerrickHenryNov 11, 20145 votes

so you're mad that you lose a duel with an adc as.... ad fizz. not even sure if serious.

LlaniteNov 12, 20141 votes

I'm not mad. merely pointing out the fact that even if you can jump at their face, they will destroy you in 2-3 hits unless you go 200 armor.

SolumindraNov 12, 20142 votes

Or you could not be a hipster and play AP fizz.....like he is supposed to be played. And then kill the adc before they hit you...like he does...

As an ADC main you guys are really hard QQ'ing over this. ADC can't 1v1 you, if they can you did something wrong, or chased too long. Just gotta know when to walk away sometimes.

LlaniteNov 12, 20141 votes

Nothing wrong with AD FIzz, his Q has AD, his W scale with health, his E/R for mobility. He doesnt have ratio, yes, but is adc Tris such a hipster to you?

Regardless, it's not the point of the thread. Adc is too strong, back in the day, Ashe/Twitch/Ez/Kog only have a slow to kite, now they have AT LEAST one CC, one dash and typically an aoe CC ult. They also have a shield(BT), active slow (BOK) and %-life on-hit. You're in deep denial if you think adc is fine.

SolumindraNov 12, 20141 votes

Lucian has a dash, no CC. Cait has a psudo dash/Slow on 1 move and a snare if you step on it (Giving up 2 moves for movement/CC) Vayne has Condem (ProTip: don't stand near a wall.) Jinx has a snare, and only has mobility if she kills a player or tower.

Fizz has an untargetable psudo dash, knockup, a dash, and has AP burst.....I'm failing to see the problem here. Also, Zhonya's....Every class has broken capability. Learn how to play around things instead of QQ'ing.

LlaniteNov 12, 20141 votes

Did I ever say adc > Fizz? LTR. I kill you in 2 hits just fine as AP. I was speaking from a bruiser's point of view. For learning to play, we'll discuss it once you're out of bronze.

SolumindraNov 12, 20142 votes

We are the same rank bud. Learn to look at icons.