Udyr Rework criticisms 7.15 PBE

Big Lincoln··3 votes·2,406 views

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keep in mind i am not an experienced udyr player, i just have an interest in making sure he comes out of this in good shape, so take it with a grain of salt

Tiger feels very bad. This is my biggest gripe for sure. The 6-second DOT that refreshes instead of stacking or reapplying as burst feels very anti-synergistic with the AS steroid. Right now it only feels good for applying the DOT once to get the AS steroid and then switching to Phoenix. I would like this stance to be a little more valuable on its own, as someone who really likes playing Tiger builds.

Turtle and Bear stance don't benefit from his new passive. This strikes me as a very confusing and annoying thing. Both stances could stand to be made a little more interesting and I think this new passive would be a very good way to implement that.

Passive giving CDR feels weird. I'm not sure if this is constricting his build paths or opening them up. I'm much more comfortable with having 40% CDR at all times because it lets me cycle through Bear Form for mobility, but that quickly becomes gold inefficient once you build your passive up. I'm finicky about this; it feels good-ish early game but not so much later on, especially when so many tank items have gotten CDR stuffed into them.

it's a decent start, phoenix feels really good with triforce and fervor, but i think this needs a little more work

8 Comments

Coopa1231 votes

it's a decent start, phoenix feels really good with triforce and fervor

That's all I needed to know :D

pizzaknifes1 votes

But phoenix isn't every thing they ruined tiger,the passive and turtle and bear dont even stack with this passive they need to change this drastically then udyr will be perfect and not too easy

MysterQ1 votes

How high does the CDR build up?

It is a shame that almost every item now has CDR.

Big Lincoln1 votes

4% per stack, 5 times for 20% total

so once you have triforce you'll cap after you get into fights

BGEZ Pure Lust1 votes

Is no one else reading the phoenix flame aura as bizarrely overpowered?

"Unleashes pulsing waves of fire, dealing 60-180 (+120% Bonus AD) (+100% AP) magic damage each second to nearby enemies for 6 seconds"

If that is true, then he could deal up to 1080 (+720% Bonus AD) (+600% AP) magic damage over the whole duration of the activation effect not even accounting the 30% bonus he can get through his passive interaction.

If that damage in the tooltip is meant to be over the duration of the effect, then why did they not just word it like that?
It's some words replaced with some others and not really hard imo.
Maybe just an oversight?

MoonBlade921 votes

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Is no one else reading the phoenix flame aura as bizarrely overpowered?

"Unleashes pulsing waves of fire, dealing 60-180 (+120% Bonus AD) (+100% AP) magic damage each second to nearby enemies for 6 seconds"

If that is true, then he could deal up to 1080 (+720% Bonus AD) (+600% AP) magic damage over the whole duration of the activation effect not even accounting the 30% bonus he can get through his passive interaction.

If that damage in the tooltip is meant to be over the duration of the effect, then why did they not just word it like that?
It's some words replaced with some others and not really hard imo.
Maybe just an oversight?

They want it to be really powerful so people pick him up while he's OP maybe get some skins, and then "wow he is really out of hand" him, ALA Sej. The fact that Tiger is complete garbage should be ample proof (I wonder if any RIOTer ever gave reasoning who it needed to be changed from 2 to 6, I can get the not refreshing part, but the duration is just a joke, Udyr isn't goddamn Teemo). All he has going for him ATM is Phoenix, so it's gonna be easy to make him OP and then garbage with minimum effort.

Nunu Wonderchild1 votes

I really hope these changes dont come through... As an experienced udyr player, the cdr stacking over time looks pretty anoying to me, given that ur stuck on 20% if u dont wanna overstack. Also this feels more like a now-just-smash-your-keyboard rework, just use one right click and ur good. It kinda removes the thinking part of udyr that we all love.

pizzaknifes1 votes

As a udyr main myself i really like going hybrid phoenix and tiger and with the new tiger rework and passive this combo is completely ruined it gives you the guide lines for a build that doesnt work with every opponent the new passive sounds good but its a bummer that they removed the increased movement speed from monkey's agility if they keep this buff to the passive and connect bear and turtle to the new changes i think this 'll put the godyr back on top.

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