Hi, now that the meta has shifted. Can we the nerfs reverted?

Archenz·Sep 4, 2015·77 votes·3,177 views

The meta is gone. The items that made the tank meta op are gone or not as strong (cinderhulk)

So can we revert the nerfs we did to almost every tank in the game because of an item?

I feel like riot nerfs a champion because of an item, them when they realize the problem ISNT THE CHAMPION. They nerf the item and forget the champion, who both got there core item nerfed and there kit ._.

Like literally, they just reverted a change to Nocturnes ult that they nerfed forever ago.

46 Comments

PassionlipSep 5, 201522 votes

Actually this is a really big issue - Sejuani and Sion need some of their power back, mostly Sej.

53872273_DELSep 5, 20152 votes

Yeah man Sejuani only got nerfed caused cinderhulk.. 6% health for intial> I think 8% or 9% is better then 6 or what is it 4% or 5%.. I loved this kind of sej

Sejuani >> item 3717 item 3083 item 3285 item 3151 item 3001 item 3089

Now its trying to build this

item 3725 item 3065 item 3083 item 3102 item 3152 item 3020 because she isnt as good.. Because LACK of damage.

rebound2Sep 6, 20154 votes

Both of those builds look horrific.

LankPantsSep 6, 20151 votes

Try

item 3047 item 3709 item 3742 item 3190 item 3143 item 3748 (as a super late game item) or something like that. Sej doesn't really need AP to do damage, you're better off just stacking up more defence.

T RexHasTinyArmsSep 5, 20151 votes

Not sure why they went straight to 3 sec on the shield nerf. Feels difficult to use, but I think going from 2 up to 2.5 would have made it still good poke/protection in lane, but easier to burst before it goes off in team fights.

Ramza ParadiseSep 4, 201511 votes

rito doesn't know what they're doing half the time

they beat renekton over the head with a nerfbat for being tanky/sustain, give Darius better self healing better damage while only slightly less tanky

ArchenzSep 5, 20154 votes

The big difference is Darius is allowed those things because of his lack of mobility. Which renekton has a lot of

Mystic ButttholeSep 5, 20151 votes

"a lot"

SteelflameSep 5, 20153 votes

Darius's threat range is his Q, a dodgable delayed skill. Renekton's threat range is his double E (about 600 range), which leads into a targetted stun .75 to 1.5 + Q damage + heal (on minions as well as champions, unlike Darius who HAS to hit a champion to get the heal).

Yes, Darius is a little overtuned, although I am mostly sure it is because of a bug on his Q right now letting him doublecast it for double damage/heals.

magic poleSep 5, 20151 votes

darius is OP ... don't try to defend it lol

Photos of GhostsSep 5, 20151 votes

Darius's threat range is his grab, 600.

A Miss FortuneSep 5, 20151 votes

I wouldn't say a lot but yeah I do see your point. Renekton can be less punishing.

magic poleSep 5, 20153 votes

lmao have u built the new items on renekton? item 3071 item 3068 item 3748 it was a silent massive buff. he is insane now.

he is not beat over the head with nerfs; he is quite strong. he's just not fotm and popular so people don't realize it.

idokiSep 5, 20154 votes

Shh don't tell anyone how strong Renekton is against 80% of top lane picks...

Heckin SupportSep 4, 20159 votes

Sejuani item 3070

ArchenzSep 5, 20151 votes

Rip Jarvan. Warrior 2 stronk

My Waifu VanillaSep 5, 20153 votes

MFW BoRK Passive is the same as Jarvan Passive....without the like 12 second cd

TurquoiseYoshiSep 5, 20159 votes

At least Warrior is getting some power back.

But RIP Sejuani. I now use Amumu until she gets a buff. Which will probably be in Season 6.

CelebrimborrSep 5, 20152 votes

5 atk bro....................................

5 atk

TurquoiseYoshiSep 5, 20154 votes

Actually it's a revert of a nerf from 5.4

That's actually the only direct nerf it's ever received.

500 MinionsSep 5, 20159 votes

It reminds me of... 5AD Hahhaaaahahhaaaa (can't find the video) And Kayle 5AD Haahahhhahahaaaaaha

HolowHall of HalSep 5, 20153 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnowbp88lwI found it

500 MinionsSep 5, 20151 votes

Yes yes, this is the one I'm looking for.

SammystormSep 5, 20151 votes

Sej is fine though. She still does sej things and is way more reliable then amumu

TurquoiseYoshiSep 5, 20152 votes

Eh. I've definitely noticed a huge decline in her usefulness. She can no longer really do anything once she's set up a fight. Her W has been nerfed to a point where it isn't useful.

Tails DollSep 5, 20155 votes

Riot balance team just throw shit into the wall and then just wait to see what sticks in. They love to talk about diversitiy, but there is always one mother fucker who never leaves the meta. Thresh Yet cant properly buff Bard to be more viable because fuck that, we cant have that, even though he is way more fun to watch.

SteelflameSep 5, 20159 votes

Bard is more of a "we can't do too much to him, because he already has the longest AoE chain CC in the game at a solid 6 seconds, one of the best long range pick abilities on any support, and a damn near impossible to catch mobility spree that lets him get away with super deep warding on the enemy jungle, while doing damage that is respectable enough to enable him to win 1v1 fights alone."

I enjoy bard, and know that the only reason he isn't a god pick is his lack of perfect reliability and his ability to screw his team as hard as the enemy from a bad play.

Good Bards already are monsters with him, so long as he has a carry that can survive for a little bit while he goes off to grab his chimes and super-deep ward, he is golden.

ZavernSep 5, 20151 votes

I absolutely love playing Bard, but I can't get over how crap his W's heal is. Early game it is effective, but come mid game it begins falling off.

Oerba No NajaSep 5, 20153 votes

RIP DFG

magic poleSep 5, 20152 votes

sejuani was fucking stupid and deserves to be left in the dirt.

Dash then just make sure you move on top of the squishy and they will die.

brainless champion, no coutnerplay besides flash. leave it out of the game for the better.

downvote me sejuani players bc u know its true and YOU can't handily THE TRUTH

Azure DancerSep 5, 20155 votes

If a tank kills you so fast, then you are doing something wrong. And no I'm not a Sejuani main.

DogIsGodSep 5, 20152 votes

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LankPantsSep 6, 20152 votes

Sejuani still has 50% win-rate.

It's wrong to assume that Sej's balance point lies at 50% just because it's the average of all champs.

Remember that pre Cinder Sej had a 55% win rate and wasn't overwhelming. Also take a look at Amumu, a similar champ in a balanced state who's winrate sits around 54%.

It's reasonable for Sej to be balanced at above 50% win rate and in history she often has been.

DogIsGodSep 6, 20151 votes

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LankPantsSep 6, 20152 votes

She's fine, if you do really like her, then play her. Do you only play freelo champs?

No, I've played Sej since mid S2 and still do play her, she's just not fine. She's weaker now than she was before her first rework.

I see you don't actually play her though, so you probably have a very strong grasp on her relative power.

DogIsGodSep 6, 20151 votes

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LankPantsSep 6, 20152 votes

She's inferior to Amumu, just straight up worse. The only reason I even play her is because I enjoy her.

Towboat421Sep 5, 20151 votes

Sion I can sympathize, i mean if the champion had problems related specifically to an item the nerfs should be hot fixes especially when the item is never there to stay in that form of viability.

AL000Sep 5, 20151 votes

they still dont care and dont want tank meta in LCS anymore...

RandomoniumSep 5, 20151 votes

poor Sej, I miss her.

Curling VeigarSep 5, 20151 votes

holy FUCK those rhymes are sick

The EcdysiastSep 5, 20151 votes

I made a thread addressing this on a larger scale a little while ago: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/bbkYPE4J-nerfingbuffing-champs-when-its-not-a-champion-issue

Silents429Sep 5, 20151 votes

The meta is gone. The items that made the tank meta op are gone or not as strong (cinderhulk)

Cinderhulk traded an annoying late game for a stronger mid game, it's fine. The new item 3143 passive has been an absolute god send, and thorn mail is rewarding to actual tanks now and not bruisers/fighters.

I also don't think you get how leaving a previous meta means it's alright to buff things again, Shall we revert Zed and Le Blanc nerfs now that the assassin meta ended?

Let's revert all the Sej and Cinderhulk nerfs, then Sej can go back to being perma banned and the annoying whore on a boar once more.

BeoridasSep 5, 20151 votes

to be fair. they werent exactly nerfs to their core. Remember that when cinderhulk was released, the tanks were also all massively buffed at the same time. They are essentially back to their pre cinder patch self. So the question is essentially to revert them to their buffed state. Im not entirely sure about that decision. In one hand it would help versus these dumb sated junglers and these strong early pressure runeglaive junglers. But it would create an all around jungler meta. Some people may claim that its their time to shine since it was always the adc or mid meta. I feel that atm the junglers in soloQ are starting to become much more dominant than any other role. but thats an opinion. I think they should just nerf sated and call it a day.