After tumbling, has to wait for 2 seconds to attack again
Ult has a initial 2 second channel before going off
4th hit becomes a 1.5s channel that can be interrupted
Disables basic attacks for 1.5 seconds after switching instances
etc
GULAG 4 U22 votesHow does tihs fix their problems? (hint: it doesn't. It nerfs them into the ground)
Irelia Bot4 votesSounds balanced to me.
GULAG 4 U4 votesIt isn't, they are DPSers, if you really want to gate their damage, reduce them by raw numbers, doing this only makes them shitty and clunky for nothing.
Irelia Bot6 votesWith riots new display of "balance" according to the assassin update yes that does sound balanced.
GULAG 4 U4 votesExcept marksmen aren't assassins.
SlntReaper8 votes 
you called?
Ryuyah10 votes
hi
DKM Bismarck1 votes 
hey there
Dextix LT2 votesYea, they only do as much damage as them, also in sustained form, also from range. But let's ignore all of those.
JQKAndrei3 votesAlso after 30 minutes of farming
Dextix LT2 votesSo, the same as assasins? Who also need farm?
JQKAndrei4 votesmid laners scale with levels more than with items. Adcs scale exclusively with items.
Champion Skin1 votesADCs don't exclusively scale with items.... They most certainly scale with levels as well like Jhin getting his ult (and the only way he gains higher attack speed is with levels) And Vayne with getting her Q up to rank 5 for that 70% increase damage on the next AA (up to 175% increase with IE crit)
And of course utility carries getting their ultimate like... Ashe and Sivir
JQKAndrei1 votesIt's obvious that lvl 6 is a powerspike for almost every champion....duh, that's not enough to say
And Adcs scale Exclusively with items. There's no world or reality in which a lvl 6 vayne with doran's blade can be useful in a fight compared to Fiora, Zed, Syndra, Elise.
Those champions scale with levels because their abilities gain a flat amout of damage every time they put a point in their ability.
Vayne is the worst example you could pull out since her Q scales with %AD and if she doesn't back to buy that AD, the scaling is crap.
GayFluffyUnicorn1 votesThis might have been true 3 seasons ago but not anymore. The overall increase in dmg, alteration of ADC kits pretty much changed that.
Akali is SO HOT38 votesYou mean like the Assassin Update?
GULAG 4 U12 votesIt fixed kha'zix's problems.
Fixed talons (where he just onshots you with 0 counterplay)
Fixed Lebullshit's.
Nerfed zed into the ground.
Nerfed kali into the ground.
I'm pretty sure it fixed tankko.
Idk for fizz.
Rengar's hard to tell.
Shaco is shit.
50/100
Ariel the Cruel11 votes50/50
Best score yet! GJ Rito, you're improving. XD
50000000000000002 votesSo are you saying that nerfing champs into the ground is fine or bad?
Saianna2 votesFixed talons (where he just onshots you with 0 counterplay)
Just saw Talon 1shot MF. 100 to 0. in Less than 2 seconds. He was ahead, but not by huge margin.
Nerfed zed into the ground.
He can still kill 2-3 ADCs in 1 go easily & fast. Experience from yesterdays match.
I'm pretty sure it fixed tankko.
Nope.
Fixed Lebullshit's.
She has less burtst, but her spells hit alot harder now. So.. Good luck living after 2 seconds ;P
And Katarina. Just as OP (if not even OPPER) than before.
Shaco is shit
Yep.
Fixed what exactly?
Astôlfo5 votesFixed them being good and balanced by making them dogshit.
GULAG 4 U1 votes"katarina is OP"
Nice joke there pal.
Lebalanced doesn't bursts you under 0.5 seconds with 2 spells like before, they did what was intended.
Which game has 2-3 adcs? And zed can only kill one unless he's 20/0 or fed af.
"just saw talon oneshot mf" Maybe put a clip here or there?
Saianna1 votesWhich game has 2-3 adcs?
ARAMs
"just saw talon oneshot mf"
Ascension
"katarina is OP"
Nice joke there pal.
Every.. EVERY game I see Katarina I know I'll be sad panda.
Her burst is even bigger than she used to have. Today's game. Mee teemo with 1600 hp left (I was HP-beefy). And katarina with 2.. tops 3 AAs worth of life (or 1 blind dart). She killed me in less than a second. My whole 1600 hp bar gone red in a goddamn second. And she survived.... For couple of seconds untill she hit my mushroom.
So.. No matter what you think of katarina.. I believe she was never stronger than now.
GULAG 4 U1 voteswe dont balance the game for arams.
Saianna1 votesbut you do understand that ARAMs are pretty much what happens in lategame SR?
GULAG 4 U1 votesDo you realize in either cases there will be no 2-3 marksmen in one game?
Saianna1 votesDo you think I should take seriously somebody who's called
extreme noob leet?
Second thing: I have seen shit like 3 ADCs in 1 game on SR, so yeah.
GULAG 4 U1 votesFirst off, if you can't take me seriously because of my name, that's a pathetic excuse. That's all.
I have seen shit like 3 adcs in one game o SR too.
IT'S ONE FUCKING GAME. It doesn't mean shit.
AirKingNeo1 votesUh, tank ekko was fixed. It's terrible.
LBB4121 votesYou said that nerfing ADC's into the ground is bad, but think the Assassin update worked great, while simultaneously stating that all the Assassin update did was nerf the assassins into the ground
Supreme Senpai694 votesThe assassin update... nerfed them into the ground? Khazix is pretty OP right now and so is Talon
DKM Bismarck1 votesTalon's not OP. Go ahead, assassinate Vayne late game, I am waiting to tell me how you died every time you tried, no no not because she got peel, but because she is a better fucking assassin than the assassin champ and she will crit Q you for 1.5k damage then aa you again and you die, there you go, in the time it took old Talon to do 1 full rotation of skills + a tiamat she simply QAA AA's you and you fucking die. It's disgusting, and she isn't the /only/ ADC doing this. I am dying in 3 hits from Jhin, from Jinx, from -insert 4 other ADC's here-. They do more damage than assassins and now assassins got slowed down, they will never actually kill them later unless the ADC messes up SUPER bad, splits alone and the assassin does the snappiest combo of their lives, which is much harder than pressing q and right clicking someone, or unless the ADC gets such little peel in a fight that it's hilarious (doesn't apply to Vayne or Ashe, they just have their very own peel built into their kits honestly.) With the dawn of no-counter-to-adc's-as-assassins-are-too-slow, the ADC role needs another rework yaaaaay!
Only Play Darius2 votesRiot likely won't change the kit mechanics, but they will do what they need to do to make those assassins hit 50% winrate again. They are going to keep the abilities delayed and unreliable but will make it so that when you do get hit by them you legitimately get one-shot. Whether or not that is any improvement compared to how it was before is unclear though.
TeemoXNidalee5 votesHow does tihs fix their problems? (hint: it doesn't. It nerfs them into the ground)
Exactly like the assassin update
GULAG 4 U4 votesIt doesn't have anything to do with the assassin's update anyways.
zaire902 votesjust like the assassins
Rivuo10 votesJinxs q disabling her autos for 1.5 seconds is pretty good tbh
Ariel the Cruel1 votesI just want her rockets to affect Base AS so she gets less AoE crits mid/late game and her mini-gun to require more than 3 AA's to become the highest passive AS.
And for Varus to get a new passive since Jinx [after the marksman update] is basically a better version of him with an upgraded passive.
TurquoiseYoshi9 votesThat doesn't make any sense, assassins take that 1.5 second wait and then kill you outright, while marksmen need that 1.5 seconds to AA you to do similar damage over a long duration of time. There's a reason why assassins counter marksmen: assassins get the damage off faster. If you leave an ADC unchecked for 5-10 seconds in a crowded teamfight, then yeah, they'll destroy your team. But if Zed decides to hop on them, there's not a damn thing they can do to fight back.
Drakylon4 votesThat doesn't make any sense, assassins take that 1.5 second wait and then kill you outright, while marksmen need that 1.5 seconds to AA you to do similar damage over a long duration of time. There's a reason why assassins counter marksmen: assassins get the damage off faster. If you leave an ADC unchecked for 5-10 seconds in a crowded teamfight, then yeah, they'll destroy your team. But if Zed decides to hop on them, there's not a damn thing they can do to fight back.
The problem now is that some assassins (Akali and Ekko, as examples) kill in separate bursts spaced quite a bit apart from one another without any reliable way of keeping the ADC from acting, which means the ADC gets time between bursts to lifesteal most of what they took, especially late game. The way assassins should've been reworked is more on the lines of LeBlanc and Fizz; prepare for some time (visibly), then dump all of their damage at once.
Kha'Zix is interesting in that while he also kills in several bursts, his are only spaced around 1 second from each other, giving no time for the ADC to lifesteal enough yet still enough time for them and/or their teammates to react after the initial strike.
SpookyNeedle9 votesCan't tell if you're joking or actually proposing this, and I'm a melee toplane main
Anidan3 votesI have no idea what being a melee toplane main has to do with detecting whether or not someone is being facetious, but you go get 'em!
Tis a nice day5 votesHe probably means he hates ranged champions.
