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A Superb Villain13 votes

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I SAW THE DARKNESS.

AND IT WAS GOOD.

YumaS2Astral2 votes

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I SAW THE DARKNESS.

You have made me think of this: http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Society_of_Light

Merxamers7 votes

thank goodness. the range on his rank 1 ult was laughable; this was a long-needed buff.

Soleous4 votes

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thank goodness. the range on his rank 1 ult was laughable; this was a long-needed buff.

It was less than Bard's ult, for goodness' sake.

Yfrappefort3 votes

The funny part is that this range is the range he had upon release. It did not last long tough. Nocturne received some heavy nerfs the patch after his release, including his ultimate range.

I agree tough, that nerf should be reverted. Maybe he was too strong back then, but it was in season 1. Let's just say the game changed quite a bit from that point (not really in favor of Nocturne).

Patch notes for context :

V1.0.0.115:

Duskbringer : - Attack damage bonus reduced to 15 / 25 / 35 / 45 / 55 from 20 / 30 / 40 / 50 / 60.

Unspeakable Horror : - Cast range reduced to 475 from 500. - Leash range reduced to 550 from 600.

Paranoia : - Dash range reduced to 2000 / 2750 / 3500 from 2500 / 3250 / 4000.

Taken from lolwiki.

Narasimha3 votes

I never understood why Nocturne's ult had such a short range. While this will not solve all of Nocturne's problems, it will surely help with his early game ganks.

Speaking as a (semi) Noc main back in s2, it was because it was absolutley terrifying. Noc hit level 6, and suddenly, he could literally gank you from halfway in the jungle. You can't ward against that. You can't play against that. You could only hug tower and hope you saw him on the other end of the map.

It was glorious. But it also sucked.

Ravore2 votes

They should make Noc's ult global again...i mean we have kalista, right? so nothing can be that bad anymore

The Ecdysiast2 votes

If you're newer: The reason it has such a short range is because back in early season 3 it was global.

Critmaster Garen1 votes

it had this range because his ganks were terrifying (heh).

he could bypass wards very easily with his ult, and his ganks were almost impossible to avoid. if you warded deep into the river, and you saw him coming, it was almost always too late. you didnt have time to react before he ults into lane with red buff.

not sure if buffing his ult range on early levels is the right thing to do. they should have looked into other placed to buff him first. maybe improve the health return on his passive instead, so his clears are safer.

i see the same problem coming he originally had. his early ganks are brutal, he snowballs too hard and gets nerfed after a couple weeks.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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it had this range because his ganks were terrifying (heh).

he could bypass wards very easily with his ult, and his ganks were almost impossible to avoid. if you warded deep into the river, and you saw him coming, it was almost always too late. you didnt have time to react before he ults into lane with red buff.

not sure if buffing his ult range on early levels is the right thing to do. they should have looked into other placed to buff him first. maybe improve the health return on his passive instead, so his clears are safer.

i see the same problem coming he originally had. his early ganks are brutal, he snowballs too hard and gets nerfed after a couple weeks.

There are other junglers who can bypass wards Pantheon Evelynn Rengar RekSai Zac

Critmaster Garen1 votes

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There are other junglers who can bypass wards Pantheon Evelynn Rengar RekSai Zac

yeaaaa. and its amost always causing extreme problems. i mean look at eve whats happening to her when shes strong. reksai has been suffering from a lot of nerfs aswell.

the thing is, its just really easy to do for nocturne to just ult halfway down the river and jump into your lane before you can react. it just mae his lvl way too strong.

RespectPlus1 votes

Yuma, voce por aqui? :v

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Yuma, voce por aqui? :v

who are you? (quem é você?)

RespectPlus1 votes

do GD BR ué, lembro de vc ter postado la algumas vezes

HateDaddy4 votes

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do GD BR ué, lembro de vc ter postado la algumas vezes

That's interesting, I never knew that dinosaurs had lazer eyes that fired death rays. Thanks for the education brah

YumaS2Astral5 votes

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That's interesting, I never knew that dinosaurs had lazer eyes that fired death rays. Thanks for the education brah

He is writing on portuguese. Some BRs don't understand that other people do not understand this language. What he meant to say: "from BR GD, I remember that you posted some times here"

I used to post on GD BR, but I got tired of there. It is impossible to have a good discussion here, compared to NA.(eu costumava postar no GD brasileiro. Mas eu me cansei de lá. É impossível discutir algo de bom por lá, quando comparado com aqui no NA.)

HateDaddy1 votes

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He is writing on portuguese. Some BRs don't understand that other people do not understand this language. What he meant to say: "from BR GD, I remember that you posted some times here"

I used to post on GD BR, but I got tired of there. It is impossible to have a good discussion here, compared to NA.(eu costumava postar no GD brasileiro. Mas eu me cansei de lá. É impossível discutir algo de bom por lá, quando comparado com aqui no NA.)

I know what he said, I got my boy SwordGrunt, the swag nasty BR from da BR translating

ElJanitorFrank2 votes

A Brazilian?

QUICK, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THE MORDEKAISER REWORK?

RespectPlus2 votes

he is now less hue :c

Not Katarina2 votes

relevant name

Rinky Dinky2 votes

Not Sure how that quip fits.

Unless your referring to new morde being lane cancer.

In which I agree! Well met friend!

Not Katarina2 votes

precisely!

RespectPlus2 votes

I know that americans dont understand my language, but I was writing in portuguese because I was talking directly to you .-.

RespectPlus2 votes

dinosaurs can also throw ice balls with their tails, its amazing

YumaS2Astral2 votes

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dinosaurs can also throw ice balls with their tails, its amazing

New skin: Prehistoric Nunu

ks9161 votes

Is it just me or anyone feel like if nocturne had something else instead of the current W he can be a lot better? Not saying it's not a good ability, just feels as if like it's not a good ability for a jungler, for lane nocturne yes, but for jg I would either want something that gave me a bit more tank stats (rengar W) or something to help me kill you faster.

Ultîma10 votes

It's a very random ability on him that, thematically speaking, really does nothing for him. It'd be much cooler (and scarier) if Nocturne got some kind of "fade" ability that made him untargettable for 0.75 seconds and allowed him to ignore collision for the duration. It would already serve him better for ganks, and tie-in his nightmare theme even further.

RespectPlus3 votes

I dont want another Fizz

Ultîma9 votes

Because Noc has access to the same burst, mobility, and reliability as Fizz amiright? =/

Trumpet1 votes

And Fizz's troll poll is either a nuke or an escape. This is just pure utility.

On a different note another cool thing we could do is make the fade allow him to move through walls (like bard but for one person).

ks9161 votes

I also saw someone mention another good idea a while back Replace spell shield with something like when nocturne is on his Q he goes invisible and gets some bonus stats like Armour/Mragis resist.

Or riot can help his scaling/base stats

Crowe Stalker2 votes

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It's a very random ability on him that, thematically speaking, really does nothing for him. It'd be much cooler (and scarier) if Nocturne got some kind of "fade" ability that made him untargettable for 0.75 seconds and allowed him to ignore collision for the duration. It would already serve him better for ganks, and tie-in his nightmare theme even further.

Ship it right the hell now.

LankPants1 votes

I always thematically liked the idea of something like "gain a speed boost and the ability to walk through a single wall" not sure how it would work out balance wise though.

Dar Raksada1 votes

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It's a very random ability on him that, thematically speaking, really does nothing for him. It'd be much cooler (and scarier) if Nocturne got some kind of "fade" ability that made him untargettable for 0.75 seconds and allowed him to ignore collision for the duration. It would already serve him better for ganks, and tie-in his nightmare theme even further.

just for fun, try nocturne with new fiora's w or a yi on his w:P

Ravore1 votes

That sounds pretty awesome

Auz the Ripper2 votes

It's not really random when you think about it in context with his real (pre-recon) lore

Nocturne attacked Summoners when their magic was useless against him and a spell-shield is the closest way to replicate that in-game without going full-on Black King Bar

And it fits his archetype of relentless killer, he shrugs off your pitiful attempts to peel him and kills you faster because of it

missinggrave1 votes

WE DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT THE OLD DAYS

RIOT MIGHT SEND A HITMAN AFTER YOU

SOON(tm)

Auz the Ripper1 votes

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SOON(tm)

So they're gonna use old age to kill me?

iamleburk1 votes

what if it wasnt an active? something like "after he uses this ability he goes untargetable for .5 secs" or after a couple of autos like his current passive

The Loveless1 votes

Please make mid Nocturne a thing.

gaby1best1 votes

Melee AD mid without a (failry) low cooldown dash will never work.

The Loveless1 votes

Uh huh, hence "Please make mid Nocturne a thing".

Dar Raksada1 votes

It worked well enough last season, earlygame farming can be dangerous, start flask, use q to poke and if possible follow up with autohits. at 6 you can ult to gank sidelanes or you can ult for the kill.

The popularity of ziggs at a certain point made me stop doing it, but it could work again in the assassin meta.

gaby1best1 votes

Still doesn't fix Noc's problem, or it may be just my bad build path. Full AD won't work unless you have Malphite in your team, so most people build him bruiser(like me). item 3930 item 3153 item 3143 item 3742 item 3102 item 3111

I just can't seem to be very effective in teamfights, as I find myself kited for ages after I ult. May be my lack of skill, may be the bad build, but I find Nocturne pretty weak atm. A range increase on his ult will not solve his actual problems.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Still doesn't fix Noc's problem, or it may be just my bad build path. Full AD won't work unless you have Malphite in your team, so most people build him bruiser(like me). item 3930 item 3153 item 3143 item 3742 item 3102 item 3111

I just can't seem to be very effective in teamfights, as I find myself kited for ages after I ult. May be my lack of skill, may be the bad build, but I find Nocturne pretty weak atm. A range increase on his ult will not solve his actual problems.

The reason why people build him bruiser/tank is because full damage Nocturne is not worth much. Despite being listed as an assassin, Nocturne lacks the burst needed to be one. Master Yi also lacks that burst, but at least Yi has a lot of mobility, also Yi has immunity to attack speed slows with his ult; which is why he works with a full damage build (although I prefer to build him semi-bruiser) Nocturne does not have such mobility. Nocturne has the same problem as Evelynn: despite technically being "assassins", both lack the burst, mobility, and sticking power to be built as one.

gaby1best1 votes

While you are right in most of you said, Eve does have burst, if built accordingly. Nocturne also lack an escape to be a real assasin. And I think building FULL AD and getting the arpen jungle item would give you some burst combined with your ult, but that's all. Honestly, I think Nocturne's class and sub-class should be reconsidered.

TotalJerk1 votes

Welp, no point in warding against Nocturne, now.

Ravore1 votes

They should just overall increase nocs ult range because hes losing his identity at this point with people doing what he can but better. Should make his ult a global and increase its CD to shen's ult CD

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