sigh so sick and tired of lee sin

Popstar Ahri·Apr 22, 2016·17 votes·898 views

nerfs, guts, rework, deletion

when??

17 Comments

NekusenApr 22, 20163 votes

don't worry, they are buffing him as they are making item 1041 grant more xp than item 1039

so permaban

Voluug13Apr 22, 20164 votes

Actually that was a lazy mistake.

The exp is increased for both items.

NekusenApr 22, 20161 votes

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Actually that was a lazy mistake.

The exp is increased for both items.

as i read, they gave machete more xp than talisman because people were favoring talisman over it. i hope it ends up being the way you describe it though.

IcyPepperApr 22, 20163 votes

something something high skillcap

or at least that's what his mains tell me.

Troy242621Apr 22, 20167 votes

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something something high skillcap

or at least that's what his mains tell me.

http://i.imgur.com/63UylMX.jpg

SylverblitzApr 22, 20164 votes

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something something high skillcap

or at least that's what his mains tell me.

Don't forget that he falls off late ga-HAHAAHHAHHAHA! Sorry, couldn't finish the sentence with a straight face. I forgot that his ult stops kicking you away late game or his Q stops executing or his slows, ward hops etc stop working late game. Poor Lee Sin players.

IcyPepperApr 22, 20162 votes

I've long since stopped hating Lee Sin, tbh.

I don't like the arguments about him, nor do I believe the "falls off late game" because I'm a support main and we know that strength is more than just numbers, but at least other champions are played at this point in the game.

I remember when I first started, about season four(?) when it was basically Lee+Vi+J4 with Lee as the king of the jungle. Times have gotten better.

AbyssphereApr 22, 20163 votes

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I've long since stopped hating Lee Sin, tbh.

I don't like the arguments about him, nor do I believe the "falls off late game" because I'm a support main and we know that strength is more than just numbers, but at least other champions are played at this point in the game.

I remember when I first started, about season four(?) when it was basically Lee+Vi+J4 with Lee as the king of the jungle. Times have gotten better.

That's the same time I joined properly, the jungle's gotten so much better since then. Say what you want about Devourer and the current FOTM champions but at least they're not ALL "early pressure physical damage bruiser with team fight initiation".

Not seen a less diverse meta in the jungle since the Warrior meta. No matter how bad things get, at least the strong champions accomplish different things. Warrior meta was literally just Lee vs. whatever Lee clone you could get your hands on.

YCitizenSnipsYApr 22, 20161 votes

http://champion.gg/champion/LeeSin

Ok you don't have to believe the arguments. Here are the numbers for you. He has one of the lowest win rates for new players. His win rate drops off of a cliff after 25 minutes. And expereinced players don't even break a 50% win rate with him.

You don't have to like the arguments or believe them, doesn't make them wrong.

IcyPepperApr 22, 20162 votes

The only reason I hated him before was when he was always #1 picked, and it got annoying. It's toned down since then.

You don't have to throw data at me, I'm not trying to argue the existence of his high skill cap* or how good he is at any phase of the game, I just don't like him that much. It's pure opinion. If I wanted to argue about his actual state, it would probably be in a different thread because this one is quite opinionated. People will go at each other's throats, names will be called. Sometimes people need to feel and be disgruntled, and sometimes they need to be cool and logical. In this case, I'm being the first because, again, opinion thread. If this was a logic thread, I'd be more in favor of some of the Lee Sin arguments and likely compare him to Zed, a... less well received champion often said to have a high skillcap,

So, yeah, I'm whining. I'm unhappy. I don't like him. That's really it.

*Bear in mind I never did say he was easy.

YCitizenSnipsYApr 22, 20161 votes

He still the most picked jungler in the game by almost 10%. I'm not sure what has changed for you, but I never said you had to like him. Just that most of those arguments tend to be true which is why people don't want to hear them.

IcyPepperApr 22, 20161 votes

Someone literally just went through this entire comment chain and downvoted everybody without a response :V

Can't take a joke, much?

ViashinoWizardApr 22, 20163 votes

I mean, people joke about "muh skillcap!", but unless you're like Master rank he's not really that good.

AeszarckApr 22, 20163 votes

I just checked his winrates for today on OP.GG. Master is literally his only tier where he has a win rate over fifty. He's quite well below fifty in every other tier.

I know he's not fun to go against, but he's really bad right now. Or at least, not good enough to crowd out a bunch of other jungle picks. The jungle is pretty diverse right now.

theragingnerdApr 22, 20162 votes

excuse me?

JefftiffyApr 22, 20162 votes

Oh boy we go again another but hurt player who couldnt abuse the one weakness of Lee Sin. Don't overextend and don't feed him and falls off. But don't worry guys I got the lemming bronze 5 army following me so I'm always right. Lee is probably in the best spot he has ever been for the state of the game. I feel like he finally is early game enough and his late game isn't enough to make him perma picked. He finally isn't drowning out other junglers.

Until you get over being butt hurt about a Lee steamrolling you for not playing safe you will not progress in this game. I currently can't progress because I'm trying to solo in dynamic queue and its really hard when your teammates cant put any pressure on the map.

If you say he has a late game. Tell me what he does to a grouped team other than a really lucky Insec ult on a team with poor reaction speed.

tempname4864Apr 22, 20161 votes

skillshots in this game are getting about as bad as halo aim assist, i'm seeing consistent situations where a hook or kick are way left or way right and the frames readjust it to land on me like in practically fucking slow motion, it's really bad.