Can Shyvana Just Get Two Meaningful Buffs Plz?

Forhonor321··13 votes·848 views

To put it bluntly, I feel Riot just has added these last "buffs" to her just to keep her somewhat playable and relevant until they add her to the diver update because they really don't know what to do with her without breaking her legs and making her completely useless or having her become insanely overpowered and bring her into the area of the ban/pick champion pool. These buffs don't even feel great. The AP ratio added was to compensate for Rageblade and make it more accessible on her, but look what happened to that plan. And the latest one with her getting her ult faster at the earlier levels doesn't really feel like much of a difference to me. I mean OK I get my ult slightly faster then I would notice but I don't notice the difference and thus I don't feel like that brought any change. Don't get me wrong I don't think she is at a terrible state right now but I feel like she's a little weak at the moment and I just want to suggest these two things added to her to actually feel like buffs to her:

  1. Give her bonus health when she transforms into her dragon form - This has been bothering me for a while now and this has to do with Gnar. Gnar can transform and it actually feels like he transforms, gaining lots of damage but also a lot of health. What does Shyvana get when she transforms? Double her bonus Armor and MR from her very uninteresting passive. She turns into a dragon, somewhat grows larger in base seize like Gnar and yet I've never felt like she has turned into a dragon simply because it doesn't feel like when I transform I get and tankier except in the passive stats as stated.

  2. MAKE HER ULT UNSTOPPABLE - This is the second thing that's been bothering me for a while now. You're transforming into a god damn dragon, flying right at the enemies faces! You shouldn't just be easily knocked aside or back mid flight like you were a fucking piece of paper in the wind! Why Riot hasn't added this, let alone considered adding this to her, is beyond my thought process.

These are just the things I'd like to see added to her. Her gaining health when she transforms can easily be added as a small buff to her like they've been doing with her recently. Her ult becoming unstoppable I feel may not be small buff worthy but I feel it's at least worthy or a major buff to her, even if I have to wait for it in the diver update.

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Great Muta2 votes

I'm literally depressed about Shyvanna's current state. SHE IS MY FAVORITE CHAMPION AND SHE IS DOG CRAP RIGHT NOW. It hurts. There's no other champ to fill the void and I feel lost in game without her. I've tried many of the various builds floating around with her right now and it just doesn't work. Razor > Hydra = Takes a long time, is expensive and I still have no tank. Cinderhulk = I'm a tank but I have no damage and do little but eat shots.

It also doesn't help that they reworked Fiora when old Fiora was also one of my favorites.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I'm silver, but I do good on shyvana, but why is she trash? I mean I delete people with my build,

item 1413 item 3078 item 3748 item 3143 item 3102 , I seriously don't know what wrong with her :X

Great Muta1 votes

Nice kills. Would like to see how you progress in ranked though. I do pretty good with her in normals too, but it is normals.

Adriqnohee1 votes

There is always someone better than her in everything she does.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Who?

Adriqnohee2 votes

She has a fast jungle clear on the early, mid and late game, good sustain since she is completely resourceless, is a very dangerous threat to the back line thanks to her high damage and can also do some pretty nasty thing to the front lane while being quite tanky, that's what she brings to the table, now lets see the characters that beat her and a very lackluster ganking capability. Nidalee While her first clear is no match for that of Shyvana, her mid a late game clear far exceeds anything Shyvana can do, outside of the first clear she has no real problem with mana and her E provides a good bit of sustain to both her jungle clears and the teamfights, a much bigger threat to the back line since she doesn't even need to be next to them to cause massive damage and has one of the best objective control of the entire jungle, she alone can zone an entire team out of turrets, dragons and baron using just her spear and traps, while also being capable of some very nasty counter ganks, being able to turn a 3 v 3 or 2 v , into a 3 v 2 and 2 v 1 in a second thanks to her burst Then we have Hecarim , he matches her clear from early to late, although he tends to suffer a lot from mana hunger he is never low on life so his sustain is pretty even, is a much bigger threat to the enemy back line thanks to his incredible burst with only one item, and his ultimate makes him almost impossible to get away from, thus why he is considered the best carry jungler in the game (The same category shyvana is in), his speed and burst potential makes him extremely good at contesting objectives, and lets not forget about the ganking on this guy, being able to come from any direction and having one of the best forms of CC on a basic ability (displacement) thanks to his speed there is almost no time to react to his gank and its almost impossible to ward for him since he can just rush past your tower and hit you from the back. Gragas Is another beast that far exceeds in anything shyvana can do, with a single ap item, he is capable of clearing a camp with only one skill and a few autos for the rest of the game, has one of the best sustains in the entire jungle, having less than half your health means you're doing something very wrong, his E + Flash combo makes him a more reliable LeeSin and there is no bigger threat to the enemy back line, than the mob of 4 that Gragas sent you into, excellent objective control with his ultimate, a gank that is almost impossible to escape from without using flash and the ability to go with the warding jungle item, which gives his team great vision control. And why not mention RekSai also known as the queen of the jungle, Great clear speed from beginning to end, excellent sustain thanks to her lack of resources and the health regen on her W, the best ganks in the entire game being able to come from any direction and having an instantaneous knock up that works with flash, and lets not forget the most important thing, the best map control of the entire jungle, she can see you without wards, she can wreak your top lane and then 6 seconds later she is ganking bot, and her constant damage and knock ups in the middle of a teamfight makes her the bane of any adc. There are more of course but its getting too long so I'm just going to name a few that are either just better at everything or at least even in most of it and brings more to the team Irelia Rumble Olaf Kindred Khazix Skarner ZacGnar Diana Jax Kled KogMaw Nocturne Maokai Rengar keep in mind that those are not jungle exclusive, they also apply to top shyv.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I am a kha'zix main and seriously shyvana rapes kha'zix honestly.

But yeah thanks for explaining.

Adriqnohee1 votes

On a straight 1 v 1 definitely, but a good kha'zhix can easily take control of the jungle and objectives trough stomping the laners, something shyvana can't really answer because of her poor ganking and counter ganking.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

While kha'zix ganks and pressure is MUCH better than shyvana, on a 1v1 he does get raped. I though you mean 1v1, but with all of the other factors it does seem like shyvana can't do much about kha'zix ganks. But really they need to fix that hitbox on the ult. It's so fucking shitty. I'm fine with everything else, but jesus that ult is so buggy.

Adriqnohee1 votes

I wouldn't mind a few buffs, but yeah definitely on top of being ugly her ultimate is very buggy and awkward to use, at very least they need to update her visuals and maybe even model.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I think her armguards thing are too big, but that's just me. Also she feels really similar in playstyle to bruiser yi.

Calabok2 votes

No what for??? Shes fine

DraygenBiscuit1 votes

I play allot of Shyvanna and I agree with everything you said lol.

IA9hRfpP5q1 votes

But Vi's ult is unstoppable , because the police can't be stopped.

I agree with the buff to her ult.

ZeeWolfZ1 votes

No.

Fuck Shyvana. That 0 skill high reward champ.

Her and many of the same.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

shyv ult is the least least satisfying ult in the game. because half the fucking time. it doesn't work. it doesn't push off enemies.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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shyv ult is the least least satisfying ult in the game.

Rammus ?

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

its cool i like rammus ult.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Imo the biggest prob is her ult's hitbox. That shit is clunky af and impossible to use.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Imo the biggest prob is her ult's hitbox. That shit is clunky af and impossible to use.

I agree with this.

It looks like an enormous hitbox but I have missed many times when the target was clearly in my flight path.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

I agree. It's so annoying to ult someone, the animation hits them and it does jackshit. Also the ap scalings...

Ap shyvana is garbage riot.

I don't even know if ap shyv is even fun srsly.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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Ap shyvana is garbage riot.

They are under the impression that Shyvana builds item 3124 for some reason.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Ik. I really don't think that item is really good.

Kiokami1 votes

riot gutted her toplane because they introduced broken af jungle itemization.

i remember when i could actually take shyvana top lane, and do well as long as i played smart and engaged when i landed fire.

before they slammed her with nerfs to combat BROKEN AF ITEMIZATION COUGH SATED COUGH RELEASE CINDERHULK* she struggled with the likes of Darius Fiora Jax. she could win, but you had to play smart.

good fucking luck winning those fights now. now they eat her alive almost all of the time in toplane. unless THEY go full retard and shyvana TAKES ADVANTAGE, shyvana has no chance to win toplane.

fuck, even against non-duelist top laners shyvana struggles.

fuck riot and their garbage jungle items for the past 2 seasons that got my favorite top laner nerfed into unreliability

Sire Hippington1 votes

i don't think bonus health in dragonform is the best way to buff her. Some tenacity or slow resistance would give her much more the feel of an unstoppable dragon, else increasing the def stats in that form further would be better than bonus health, allowing her to focus on hp/sustain with items rather than the usuall tank stuff.

Anyway, thx to her fast clears she's currently strong enough in the jungle to not really allow buffs, which is why the most important thing imo is to get rid of the 20% increased damage vs monsters on her W first, which would allow to buff shyvana and help her to deliver her fantasy as mighty dragon for both Top and Jungle

Adriqnohee1 votes

And for fuck sake giver her better animation, that ultimate is horrendous.

Dominick Destine1 votes

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MAKE HER ULT UNSTOPPABLE

Oh god yes.

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