Am I alone in my concern with Shaco and the lack of his counterplay?

Horse Grenades··15 votes·1,364 views

I'm not good at this game, and I admit, but the vision changes benefited him so greatly, and I don't understand what I'm supposed to do to stop him from one shotting me becoming temporarily untargetable, running away while his clone is autoing me, and then going invisible again and back stabbing again.

This isn't just a complaining post, I am also looking for honest advice.

Maybe there is counterplay, I just don't know what it is.

23 Comments

ScissorsNstuff3 votes

why do people ask if they are alone like there isn't someone who will agree with them literally no matter what they say

Horse Grenades7 votes

Wait.. What?

CancerBasedGod11 votes

What he means to say is, if you came on here to post how you believed the sky was green, there are enough lunatics here that someone would genuinely agree with you.

Horse Grenades1 votes

TFW people can't just answer a question. Peoples like ScissorsNStuff make conversations difficult to have.

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

Computers do not exist. It is impossible to post on the LoL forums.

PiVoRx3 votes

Say thanks to Riots great idea of removing any counter to invisibility.

DrugsForRobots3 votes

As a Shaco main, it really saddens me what they've done to him, and how none of it really gave him better counterplay.

His invisibility, while no longer hard-countered by a consumable item, didn't get its unique tells played up to give his prey a real chance. (His Q, Deceive, has the puff of smoke and a faint laugh upon disappearing, which would have given a clue to perceptive and wary players.)

His boxes are now countered by two cheap items, rather than being given any more innate counterplay. (They don't have a 'spring down' timer like Jhin's traps. They don't have any audible SFX to alert players to their presence.) And now he can place them while invisible!

Yes, you can counter him by warding and grouping up, but that applies generally to virtually all the assassins and junglers in League. Or by using the free item everyone has access to (that covers a huge area and has a ridiculous 10s duration.)

Shaco himself doesn't have any more counterplay than he previously had. He his, however, equally reliant on items and a gold / level advantage as he's always been (if not moreso). If Shaco appears strong, just know that it's the items and the Shaco player. Shaco himself is, unfortunately, in a sad state.

ForgiveColour2 votes

Remember how shaco mains said he was trash but had the highest winrate in jungle. LUL

MissingKayo2 votes

He was trashed after his nerfs until Riot broke Lethality. The only reason he's good right now is because he abuses Lethality.

ForgiveColour2 votes

he was trash until lethality

IM SORRY BUT ARE WE PLAYING THE SAME GAME HELLO???

Horse Grenades1 votes

Exactly. AP Shaco was 1/2 HP carries by walking a clone up to them from 1/2 a lane away invis

Kayote2 votes

Ok so he's a lane synopsis for how to beat him in each lane. Top lane: Turn around and kill him. It's the mark of a good Shaco if he comes in after you've blown your load in a trade in a top lane and everything is on cooldown he comes in to kill you. But that's also every other jungler in existence. So if he appears even remotely near you When you have abilities up, just turn around and use them on him, chances are you'll either kill him, or make him run away.

Mid lane: Your safe wards are where the river meets the connecting land. this will tell you if he's coming into gank you.

Bot Lane: standard tri-bush and river ward, if you're on red side you can usually catch him by warding over the wall as well.

In all cases play is if you had a Karthus on the enemy team. Is my health low? Maybe I shouldn't be here and go back. Another big thing of advice is don't freak out when Shaco appears as he's super squishy and unlike other suprise junglers like Eve and Rengar he doesn't have sustain in his kit. and if you ping him before he ults, the ping will show you which Shaco is the real Shaco

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Ok so he's a lane synopsis for how to beat him in each lane. Top lane: Turn around and kill him. It's the mark of a good Shaco if he comes in after you've blown your load in a trade in a top lane and everything is on cooldown he comes in to kill you. But that's also every other jungler in existence. So if he appears even remotely near you When you have abilities up, just turn around and use them on him, chances are you'll either kill him, or make him run away.

Mid lane: Your safe wards are where the river meets the connecting land. this will tell you if he's coming into gank you.

Bot Lane: standard tri-bush and river ward, if you're on red side you can usually catch him by warding over the wall as well.

In all cases play is if you had a Karthus on the enemy team. Is my health low? Maybe I shouldn't be here and go back. Another big thing of advice is don't freak out when Shaco appears as he's super squishy and unlike other suprise junglers like Eve and Rengar he doesn't have sustain in his kit. and if you ping him before he ults, the ping will show you which Shaco is the real Shaco

For mid lane, how do I know if he's still in the bush and waiting or if he left? I've warded further up and seen Shaco's coming, but then since I can't tell if he left or if he's hiding, I spend the next minute zoned way back.

Also Eve has no sustain just a shield.

zarxus12342 votes

shaco has more counterplay than most of the junglers right now so

Horse Grenades4 votes

Explain. Any other jg besides Evelynn , using wards is counterplay enough

Hexs Fortune1 votes

well first you have to tell us what champ and lane you're playing

420 grams1 votes

Use sweeping lens

Elkington VI1 votes

Shaco is similar to Lee. His counterplay is supposed to be that he falls off later in the game, so you just have to be patient and put up with his bullshit until that point. Always make sure you're playing someone with utility, that way he can't put you out of the game permanently.

PiVoRx1 votes

games end in 15 minutes, there is no something like late game anymore

Elkington VI1 votes

I somewhat agree, but I'm just saying that's what his counterplay is supposed to be.

SOLOQSUPERHERO1 votes

Honestly I've always found the best way to counterplay shaco is to play a protective support champion like Janna or lulu and not build squishy (yes that means no ap) and just focus on peeling. He can't kill you and you just protect whoever he's going after. Also not hanging around low after teamfights or near walls if possible so he doesn't have a sneaky way to get in.

Good shacos will be good, but he's not a good teamfight champion and if he's trying to split you just need to pressure hard. This meta is pretty great for Shaco though. There's a lot of squishy low cc champions being played and not a lot of engage (how you beat split pushing is force an uneven fight or make a pick).

WEANUS PEANUS1 votes

Shaco is very squishy. To see him coming just ward over the walls he can deceive from.

Chances are that if he ulted and you see an easy kill, it's his clone.

If the Shaco gets tanky for some reason he won't have the damage to one shot your carry.

Kuwabaramulberry1 votes

From my personal experience (a whole 2 games) they all play the same fucking way (in top lane at least). They seem to always think they're sneaky as shit by leading you to their boxes with sad baits. Always wanting you to be a fool and follow them into their bush with 16 boxes loaded up. And about 0 ability to push a wave. I've had good success playing nasus with the dark seal against top lane shacos. E plus slow to make them take max damage, and play as the typical farm bot with Q until you can 2 shot them. And don't be a dummy and follow their baits.

(But this is only based off of 2 bronze games. Obviously not applicable against diamond)

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