Can armor items be made more gold efficient? (Or at least slot efficient?)

PopcornBunni··2 votes·1,557 views

First a look at the other resistance, Magic Resist: item 3065 105% gold efficient item 3194 89% on its own, and when the passive is in effect, 102% gold efficient

Then the AD items armor has to build against: item 3072 101% gold efficient item 3812 115% gold efficient item 3153 100+% gold efficient on any target with more than_ 362 current health_ item 3071 100% gold efficient item 3074 101% item 3053 100+% on any champion with above 111 base AD (that is, every single champion that buys it.) item 3031 111% following a completed Zeal item (When it's first bought), up to 128% with the second (unfinished) zeal, then down to 122% with two full zeal items item 3095 105% item 3508 106% item 3036 100+% efficient against any target with over 101 armor, which is basically anyone with even a single armor item, and even against some champions' base armor

Even then, Lord Dominik's is 74% gold efficient against a _no armor level 11 Malzahar _. Its worst case scenario only approaches how bad some of the _best _ armor items get, seen below.

item 3068 / item 3742 80% gold efficient (These are the most slot efficient armor items, giving 425 health and 60 armor) item 3075 75% gold efficient item 3143 78% item 3025 93% and for the mages out there item 3157 96%

Ironically, the only armor items that are gold efficient are item 3193 122% when its passive is triggered (61% normally) item 3110 115% item 3056 124% (with point runner triggered) (95% normally) item 3512 121% with point runner (91% normally) item 3800 100%

All of which are some combination of completely useless in their stats, horribly slot inefficient, or not effective as armor items (being low-cost support items)

For something like Frozen Heart, for example, to approach slot efficiency granting its single defensive stat, it would need to make up the difference for building it instead of Sunfire or Deadmand's plate. To make up the lost health, the biggest health item in the game seems like a good start: item 3083 (800 health, 105% gold efficient).

To make Frozen Heart worth its slot to pair with the single biggest health boost, it would need to make Warmog's give an "effective health" of 1870, the same as two Sunfires (850 health x 2.2 armor). That is, Frozen Heart needs to give 134 armor for it to be worth it taking up an item slot over just buying a redundant extra Sunfire or Deadman's plate. That's bearing in mind that these two most slot-efficient armor items are STILL horribly inefficient compared to AD itemization.

Just think about that. An item that granted 134 armor would still be less slot efficient than a single completed AD item.

It's no wonder so many tanks are just saying "fuck it" and going with damage builds because they sure as shit aren't going to be tanking when three completed armor items die in the blink of an eye to a two-item AD build.

4 Comments

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

Give Thornmail it's armor back.

Not this stupid Cold Steel gimmick.

PopcornBunni1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Warlord Rhinark,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VFHcEEgT,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-07-28T08:56:49.197+0000)

Give Thornmail it's armor back.

Not this stupid Cold Steel gimmick.

The cold steel passive is fine, it's just frustrating that it's wasted gold when you need to stack against autos with all three. Were it up to me, I'd give each of the debuffs additional components that stacked together, like how stacking item 3078 item 3025 does 200% base AD AoE damage.

item 3075 Cold Steel passive is a stronger cripple: 15% -> 30% item 3143 Cold Steel passive also slows the attacker's movement speed by the same amount (15% normally, 30% with thornmail's amped cold steel) item 3110 aura radius: 700 -> 750 to match Twitch ult

Warlord Rhinark1 votes

{quoted}

The cold steel passive is fine, it's just frustrating that it's wasted gold when you need to stack against autos with all three. Were it up to me, I'd give each of the debuffs additional components that stacked together, like how stacking item 3078 item 3025 does 200% base AD AoE damage.

item 3075 Cold Steel passive is a stronger cripple: 15% -> 30% item 3143 Cold Steel passive also slows the attacker's movement speed by the same amount (15% normally, 30% with thornmail's amped cold steel) item 3110 aura radius: 700 -> 750 to match Twitch ult

Why would you add a stronger cripple to Thornmail?

When you buy Thornmail, it's because you want the enemy to hit you a lot of times so you deal the most damage to them.

If you slow their attack speed, you're nullifying the whole purpose of buying Thornmail in the first place.

Hügö1 votes

For frozen heart to be usefull the as slow passive should actual be useful.

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