I FINALLY Have Darius

RenownedWheat42·Apr 20, 2017·14 votes·1,921 views

And now I feel dirty. His weaknesses are more obvious to me now but how easy it is to shred lane with him is insane.

Also at full build he can face check a turret and kill it and I think that's gnarly. Not saying it's OP, just that it'll take like 51-ish shots for a turret to bring him down, but if he's hitting it it'll only get maybe 40 shots in. So he can solo a full-health turret with no minions around if he really wanted.

EDIT: Proof is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-sgGs191Lw&feature=youtu.be

57 Comments

morris1Apr 20, 20176 votes

People seem to have forgotten that AP Xin Zhao can solo turrets and still finish with full health.

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20172 votes

I don't have Xin but I'll have to try this when I get him.

SSJTribeApr 20, 20172 votes

It was nerfed over a year ago, this was when Rageblade was really good with sated devourer and hextech gunblade.

WinTheWarOnPantsApr 20, 20177 votes

Both nexus turrets* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlDqcjEjm6I

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20172 votes

... Holy crap.

KaiokoApr 20, 20173 votes

Your facts are wrong and he only shreds players who are not knowledgeable enough to know how to play against him.

TheJakeinatorApr 20, 201719 votes

Im a diamond Darius one trick. About 80 percent of matchups it doesn't matter how well you play because darius will roll over you anyways. Unless your jungler is perma helping your lane, Darius stomps you and if you sit under tower he freezes the lane and doubles your CS anyways. Also, past level 6 he can just double kill you and your jungler. Unless you are playing Quinn, Trundle, Vayne, or Kayle you are getting clapped

greekvandaLApr 20, 20172 votes

Riven litterally facerolls on Darius with no effort. Jax can faceroll on him too if he doesnt wiff his E. Hell even Diana can beat him lvl 6 if she dodges the Q with R.

TheJakeinatorApr 20, 201715 votes

Riven is a skill matchup and once Darius has one Armor item he wins any 1 v 1 with her.

When i play against Riven i just cheese her level 1. Start my W, walk up, Auto reset W auto. Pop corrupting potions and keep autoing. If she flashes you win lane if you kill her you win lane. Works on about 85 percent of champs and negates her level 2-3 powerspike. Allowing you to zone her and allowing you to outscale her.

Jax wins after 3 1/2 items or so. Before that Darius rolls all over him in lane and ive never even found this matchup slightly difficult. By the time Jax outscales him it doesn't matter because you are team fighting and Darius is a much better team fighter.

I have never seen a diana top in my 2000 Darius games. If i did, im confident i would win. Darius zones you way too hard pre 6 so by the time she hits 6 i would just back, buy a hex drinker and roll her all over the lane.

AmazoXApr 20, 20175 votes

I just want to applause you for being an honest darius main and talking about your main without shame, Not fearing how the trolls or inexperienced players would start making threads or down vote you to -666 and demand nerfs and create a black hole of circlejerks about your main.

Laughs Maniacally

TheJakeinatorApr 20, 20173 votes

Thanks Fam

starelementpokeApr 20, 20171 votes

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Thanks Fam

The only thing I'm angry about is the damned passive armour shred he gets and the fact that his passive is literally just ignite. Everyone gets shafted in the Juggernaut "rework", Darius gets ignite.

Mira Arya EntheApr 21, 20171 votes

https://youtu.be/aqhqJM2HAOc

You are vs bad Riven players. Corrupting is literally the worst choice vs her and he loses lvl 1 if he buys it. Riven destroys Darius.

Papa AndreiApr 21, 20171 votes

That was when CoC was super strong also, and the Darius went corrupting twice. Most Darius now can go either Grasp, or Fervor, even Thunderlords for cheese. It is an even match up

Mira Arya EntheApr 21, 20171 votes

If you watch the first segment he shows fervor Riven first. That said any good Riven avoids conflicting Darius entirely if he goes for a damage build until level 2 and 3 powerspikes where he becomes unable to reply to her trades.

This guy was specifically talking about using corrupting potion which is why this video applies. According tp statistics that include bad Riven players the lane win rate is 50% but the game win rate is 53% in her favor. If you prefer the matchup data from Champion.gg she still wins but by a slimmer margin. This is all considering Riven is Azir levels of hard to play while Darius is slightly above Garen.

Both have a lot of mains in high tiers and both are strong picks but directly vs one another even some of those master and challenger tier Darius one tricks get gotted when they fight master/challenger Rivens. In lower tiers it is even more apparent as fewer people according to statistics for platinum.

If we are talking Bronze-Gold? Yeh Darius wins there most of the time.

League of Graphs shows Darius increases her win rate by 2.7%

Asayake 5150glowApr 21, 20171 votes

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Riven is a skill matchup and once Darius has one Armor item he wins any 1 v 1 with her.

When i play against Riven i just cheese her level 1. Start my W, walk up, Auto reset W auto. Pop corrupting potions and keep autoing. If she flashes you win lane if you kill her you win lane. Works on about 85 percent of champs and negates her level 2-3 powerspike. Allowing you to zone her and allowing you to outscale her.

Jax wins after 3 1/2 items or so. Before that Darius rolls all over him in lane and ive never even found this matchup slightly difficult. By the time Jax outscales him it doesn't matter because you are team fighting and Darius is a much better team fighter.

I have never seen a diana top in my 2000 Darius games. If i did, im confident i would win. Darius zones you way too hard pre 6 so by the time she hits 6 i would just back, buy a hex drinker and roll her all over the lane.

...What if she's running Stormraiders? Then she'll fast combo and get away, winning the trade.

If she runs Fervor you'll probably just die. Especially since you're tanking minions as well. I believe it's auto, auto, fast combo.

Not saying Darius doesn't have the edge but if lvl 1 cheese is working with Corrupting Potion something is wrong.

MetalGearTeemuApr 20, 20171 votes

None of those are counterpicks vs darius, and unless heavily camped for he'll crap all over them. Riven in particular, since most don't understand throwing their 3rd Q offensively Garen tee's Darius Q lands.

At least s uggest someone like Olaf, who actually CAN faceroll Darius.

greekvandaLApr 20, 20173 votes

its my bad cause when i have matchyps in mind i have diamond/master tier level gameplay on the picture inside my head where the matchups usually go the way i said. Doesnt work like that in lower tiers

MetalGearTeemuApr 21, 20171 votes

Doesn't work their either sadly. Jax can't even bully an akali in lane pre six, let alone a fucking darius.

greekvandaLApr 21, 20172 votes

w/e you say.

SpoofghoulApr 20, 20171 votes

darius doesn't just stomp you

he stomps certain matchups

has a lot of skill match ups too

and utterly falls flat vs anything with substantially more range I like to pick brand into darius and rush rylais

he has 0% chance to win that lane unless all he builds right from the start is spirit visages He simply hasn't got the defense to deal with the early harass in lane nor can he hit you with his q for heals

I do the same with sion, i just kite him with spells and there is nothing he can do, most of the time they go farm jungle or try to roam becuse im not ''fighting'' them im just poking them out of lane

There is definitely ways to deal with darius as long as you know what you are doing, dodge the outer q even if it means getting even closer to him safe your cc for after he pulls you and use it to get away

I have played with and against him enough to know what to do and the key is knowing how his kit functions and acknowledging that he will win extended fights but also has trouble engaging on to you so pick your fights wisely Preferably right after he uses an ability And keep track of his pull and force him to use it to engage so he cant stick to you when you try to disengage

Laning vs darius is not that hard, if anything it's more counter intuitive for a lot of people which makes it harder for them

Weasel KenseiApr 21, 20171 votes

Thats how it seems to go with a good Darius.

I find my best matchups against him are Sion and Illaoi.

On Sion I start E and D.Ring and kick minions at him for a little while. It does magic damage, and lets me get him at range. I think most cases a Sion vs Darius lane is mostly a skill match up, but when you can poke him early and he cant get a free lead on you it falls more in Sions favor.

On Illaoi if you can hit that E and then kite with tentacle hits then its similar to Sion as you can chip his health down and take away some of his early bully threat.

Pfff, Iv seen Fiora manage well against him...

Typing this makes me think back to the last time he got nerfed and all the whining dipshits came out "OMG baddies that cant git gud got Darius nerfed for no reason, whaaaaa!" Hes not as stupid as he was, but still a good top laner.

Also instead of "getting clapped" you should say "getting dunked on" because its Darius... getting clapped sounds like he has an STD and hes forcibly transmitting it to you. That does sound horrible, but try to stay classy man (wut abo da childrun?).

FalconPawwwwnchApr 20, 20173 votes

Tryndamere and Riven both beat darius

He's had negative win rates vs them in high elo for awhile

This is coming from someone who plays the shit out of darius and tryndamere

Jax beats darius too if he goes hp/lvl yellows

I have no problems with darius that way

Tbh darius isn't as good in lane as people pretend he is, old darius's early game was miles stronger because of the AS slow + no delay Q

The Sword SaintApr 20, 20171 votes

Better watch out theres a pro ass 'diamond' player posting on gameplay today who will insist that darius beats every melee lane easy on top of other goodies like 'you can't siege a fiora, she'll just infinitely gapclose onto your team and one shot the carries and parry stun your whole team if they try to cc her'.

Edit: oh wait you can se for yourself since he's already posted in this thread below because of course he has.

PhelasApr 20, 20172 votes

No he cannot solo a tower w/o minions, noone can, tower take next to no damage at all when no minions are in range. Fake News.

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20175 votes

I literally just did it in a custom game.

PhelasApr 20, 20171 votes

BRB hopping into one myself

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20176 votes

I went item 3071 item 3748 item 3742 item 3143 item 3083 item 3047 item 2138

MissingKayoApr 20, 20171 votes

It's going to take fucking forever for Darius to solo a tower. There's something wrong if DARIUS, of all champions, is splitpushing for that long and no one comes to stop him.

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20175 votes

I know there's a problem, I just said it's possible. Never did I say it was OP or a new tactic, just that it's pretty gnarly.

After the fortification bonus on a tower expires he can solo it. Doesn't mean he should ever be able to in an actual game, it's just possible.

MissingKayoApr 20, 20173 votes

I mean any juggernaut could do it with a build like that probably in similar time. Not sure why Darius is special. xd

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20172 votes

I've never had the success with another juggernaut, but then I've also never tried to do this specifically. I've only ever done this with Darius.

FawkseaApr 20, 20172 votes

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I mean any juggernaut could do it with a build like that probably in similar time. Not sure why Darius is special. xd

he has one of the biggest tank/offensive stats in the game, so he's special for having high af base stats, higher than some tanks aswell

PhelasApr 20, 20171 votes

Okay, didn't buy Warmogs, but GA, and with GA it works if you let the tower kill you and revive. edit: With Warmogs i'm dying. Fake news.

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20171 votes

First time I did it I had minions in tower range but not hitting it, only went down to half health.

Second time I did it I full tanked the turret at 5 min in and successfully took it down with 258 remaining health, meaning it'd need two more shots to bring me down.

It does work. I JUST did it again.

EDIT: How are you dying? With this build you shouldn't be. took at Tier 2 tower with over 1500 health left.

Auto W Auto as often as you can. The tower WILL fall and Darius is still up.

420 gramsApr 20, 20172 votes

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No he cannot solo a tower w/o minions, noone can, tower take next to no damage at all when no minions are in range. Fake News.

You clearly haven't seen a proxy singed run around your base taking over a dozen nexus turret shots and lose only 1/3 hp after 3 items.

PhelasApr 20, 20171 votes

I did and we are talking about how he does not only tank towers but at the same time taking them down while no minions are in range. Thanks for the downvote bud.

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20171 votes

I just proved it's doable. Video is in the OP.

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20172 votes

Added a video, since people wanna say I'm lying.

RalanrApr 20, 20172 votes

Ok, ignoring how impractical that is since it takes too long, what was the build?

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20173 votes

item 3071 item 3748 item 3143 item 3742 item 3083 item 3047 item 2138

I know it's stupidly impractical, all I'm saying is it's possible and that's gnarly. In a cool way, imo.

RalanrApr 20, 20171 votes

Ah. Ok, usually when people say something like that they demand nerfs.

RenownedWheat42Apr 20, 20172 votes

A split-pushing juggernaut who can face tank towers is only a problem if I'm at 4k out of 5k health and take it down in like 5 sec, but that's unreasonable. But it takes about 45 sec (more than enough time for someone to counter it) and I leave with 20% health, best-case scenario.

It's more than fine.

OelykApr 20, 20172 votes

Most Darius players will have spirit visage over Warmogs. Also not too sure about titanic, sure it's damage and all but it's best for people with low wave clear and High health, Darius has no such issues and could build sunfire instead.

Black cleaver, Randiuns and Deadmans give him a lot of MS and stickiness.