#RAPTORS ARE NOT TOO DIFFICULT TO CLEAR FOR THE REWARD.
Hell, a lot of people are even starting them level 1 now that they're so overloaded and spawn earlier.
Get some AoE from your mid-laner and kite so they can't hit you in between your auto attack timer.
Its not that hard, people.
If you think Raptors are too hard right now, its because there's a crucial skill in the game that you haven't learned.
ŚtrongMental2 voteshonestly its not that they are to hard, nor that any of the jungle camps are to hard - what it boils down to is clear speed... i.e: how much damage can i take before i must back - and must i back or should i avoid 3 other camps and work on helping my laners... this, literally means everything, in every game, (early, and late) - for instance: Rengar - medium AOE, slight sustain, and perchance half health left on first clear - easy decision, find a laner who has dealt damage to their enemy and gank, in the same sense (rengar can clear his entire jungle in the first 5-7 minutes depending on route) - someone like fiddle (look at his win rate, thats extremely fucking low for a fiddle), who can sustain, but mana dependent on that sustain, has to back after the first 4 camps regardless of where he goes... so rengar is already ahead and he can help a laner before he has to go back... i'm sorry but your argument is invalid...
SirTeemoMushroom1 votesthis.
ŚtrongMental1 votesthis.
its as though he believes junglers think the camps are hard, when in reality the camps are fine, the champions below 50% win rates need buffs (some harder//more so then others)
J4 - (mind you he's the jungler who hasnt been touched since 6.15) Buff his q (or w) Zac - Buff his passive AND w, or e Gragas - Buff his passive or e, then q and w (dont need double sustain, so passive or e, and q/w) nocturne - buff q and r volibear - buff w and e Lee sin - revert ult damage, buff q, buff w Nid - buff q (cougar form), w both forms rumble seems to be in a good spot in the jungle, but he needs slightly more on his q for both jungle, and lane (skipping cami, to soon to tell really) elise needs buffs on her human form w, human form e, and her spider form q ----------------------------------(All of the above from elise to j4, are SLIGHT buffs, moving forward we need medium buffs)-------------------------------- Udyr - buff q OR r, buff e (maybe 4 seconds instead of 5?) hec - buff sustain and q shyvana - revert to her previous damages from the last nerf and she'd be fine Master yi - buff q, e and slightly more on w Jax - (mind you his last change was 6.11) needs buffs to his entire kit ----------------------------------(from here on out we're talking MAJOR buffs or complete reworks)---------------------------------- Sejuani - (last change was 6.5) - needs buffs to everything Rek'sai, fiddle, twitch and diana - specifically need major buffs just for jungle (and potential lane match ups)
Matake1 votesYou must not jungle. They are the single reason why most junglers can't jungle now. The wraiths and the golems are the most heavily damaging jungle units on the map dealing more damage than red/blue buff monsters.
SirTeemoMushroom1 votesthey were worth , before nerf the exp from red(or blue) + golems...
WoonStruck1 votesThey weren't worth then, actually. You skipped them if you weren't 1/4/7 because of the way the EXP tables work now.
However, they moved all of the exp from Krugs to Raptors.
Also, to Matake, damage isn't the issue with the camp. If damage is the issue, you aren't jungling properly.
Like Xavier said, the biggest issue is clear speed. However, its not that clear speed is too low on some junglers.
Its that the top junglers are too efficient at their job and need nerfs. I'd be willing to bet that the large majority of people that downvoted me and agree with either of you are silver or lower and don't actually understand what's wrong with balance right now.