Make crits from IE do 240% damage instead of 250% if it's on a ranged champion

Sasogwa·Oct 11, 2015·7 votes·696 views

This would indirectly nerf Jinx/Tristana which are slightly too strong, and maybe open up for new starter items over the IE first into statikk or PD.

And slightly keep in check the overwhelming scaling a crit build has, especially on the two I just quoted while still remaining very decent

14 Comments

CrettOct 11, 20153 votes

I'd honestly be ok with this. ADC damage needs to calm down a bit

MimyOct 11, 20152 votes

Checks your match History

You main Tanky toplaners (aside from Yi) .. of course you'd have problems with the one role designed to be the one to burst you down..

Why make the rest of the ADCs suffer because there's a few who are too strong?

The champion who would benefit from this the most.. - Yasuo

SasogwaOct 11, 20151 votes

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Checks your match History

You main Tanky toplaners (aside from Yi) .. of course you'd have problems with the one role designed to be the one to burst you down..

Why make the rest of the ADCs suffer because there's a few who are too strong?

The champion who would benefit from this the most.. -

Yeah, I actually thought about that for a while. The thing is there are champions that benefit ridiculously of IE, the most problematic for me would be Jinx/Trist (I agree that I'm a bit biased, maining bruisers BUT those are spammed and pretty much pick or ban in worlds, if you see the stats -and their performance is a bit ridiculous) ; after there's Yasuo. I just feared that this would nerf champions that are already in a weak spot ( Tryndamere ?)

The thing I wonder about is if that would help bully laners to be relevant longer into the game, in the sense of not getting outscaled at the first/ first two items ( Graves Caitlyn ?) though this indirectly nerfs their lategame potential too :s

I'd like to see more variety also. IE kinda rules the botlane. Maybe item 3142 would be a good alternative for early power? Or the item 3072 rush?

Sightless66Oct 12, 20151 votes

Maybe would be a good alternative for early power? Or the rush?

Neitehr would be viable options following your change. Ghostblade isn't an acceptable option even if you want early power, but you shouldn't want that kind of early power because you'll still be weak until you get to a certain BT has a similar problem. It keeps the ADC alive, but they'll still do very little damage. There's no value in the ADC staying alive to do no damage. IE comes first because it hurts more, and it will continue to come first until it doesn't. Back when BT hurt more, it was bought first. When IE started to hurt more, it came first. You can't change that with this small a nerf.

If you want more variety, there has to either be item reworks, or major balance shifts to make certain AD carries significantly stronger early in the game. Outside of that, you're not going to see

The thing I wonder about is if that would help bully laners to be relevant longer into the game,

Realistically, probably not. You'll still get outscaled at exactly the same item threshold, and even though your opponent is slightly weaker until that threshold, you're also slightly weaker until that threshold. Even though there is technically a difference in how it affects early game AD carries and late game AD carries, that difference is so minor that there wouldn't be any appreciable shift in their relative power. Jinx and Trist would still be the best AD carries.

If we need to nerf Jinx and Trist, we can just nerf Jinx and Trist. No need to make every other ADC suffer just because they're too strong.

MimyOct 12, 20151 votes

I'd like to see more variety also.

There's an Upcoming marksman update. Trust me when I say riot is looking into the whole "Every ADC rushes item X"

They haven't given out any details yet, but Im sure there Will be many new items as well as champion changes/nerfs/buffs.

But Light Sightless said.. neither of those are great rushers..

item 3153 item 3031 item 3078 item 3004 Make up what people seem to get first (Depending on champion)

item 3172 I wish I could get this more often instead of using it to trade off my boots.. it's actually a nice item for those ADCs who could use some CDR..

I'm not a very meta person I enjoy taking Kennen as my main ADC.. I can do pretty well down there. but I know my counters as well as who I am strong against. I'm hoping for items to take him ADC more. he is a secondary marksman. people just forget about secondaries and expect people to always take a champion as it's primary..

I'm sorry I got crazy about you trying to nerf IE, but I have a hard enough time as an ADC to sacrifice damage.. because if we sacrifice damage and suitability...

Well we'd be Soraka without her heals.. xD (I play soraka as a support she's quite fun. and played right you can turn whole team fights. )

theragingnerdOct 12, 20152 votes

the thing is that you are nerfing the weaker adcs NOT all of the adcs who use IE are too strong most need buffs so this would hurt a bitch

dangopeeOct 11, 20151 votes

Yeah but it sucks to be an ADC in soloQ right now unless you are Vayne or something.

TheDogIsOutOct 11, 20151 votes

Yea, idk man, maybe in soloQ but in ranked team, ADC's are really extremely annoying to deal with (when people peel well). Their damage is really insane, and I don't think this nerf would be huge anyway, we'll barely notice the difference.

MimyOct 11, 20154 votes

THAT'S THE JOB OF AN ADC!

They're supposed to be glass cannons.. people are SUPPOSED to peel for them.. ADCs are SUPPOSED to be able to take down tanks..

TheDogIsOutOct 11, 20152 votes

Of course, I do not deny that. But the same argumentation goes for every nerf and buff in Lol. When Fizz oneshotted everyone a while ago before he was hugely nerfed in AP and finally went AD, would we say "he is supposed to do that?" Ofc he's supposed to do that. Ofc, like, Vayne, is supposed to have good selfpeel and melt tanks. She still deserved the nerf. Every champion that got nerfed was doing his job. Just a bit too well. A nerf like that will not stop them from doing their job. They will still be glass cannons, people will still peel for them and they will still be able to take down tanks :o

Sightless66Oct 12, 20152 votes

Every champion that got nerfed was doing his job. Just a bit too well.

I'd strongly question the notion that the ADC class is doing its job too well. Aside from the few top-tier outliers who are doing well, I'd actually suggest that AD carries aren't in a great spot.

67chromeOct 12, 20151 votes

Make crits from IE do 240% damage instead of 250% if it's on a ranged champion

I am really hopping critical strike importance is tonned down in the upcomming marksman update. Preferably with compensation elsewhere, allowing for a more even power-curve in marksman rather than running the classic IE+PD+LW marksman through a gauntlet where they kill via a death of a thousand-cuts early, then turn their target into giblets with 2 shots late game.

IE existing has, throughout ~80% of LoL's history, generally dictated the optimal marksman builds as well: and often shoved various fun off-items like Ionic Spark, Madred's Bloodrazor's, Youmuu's Ghostblade, pre-3 Black Cleaver, or Ruann's Hurricane under the buss in terms of purchase rates as anything that doesn't play well into an IE build generally gives up to much to ever be worth buying (outside of really unique marksman like Kalista or Ezreal at any rate).