AD armor item?

4nth0l0gy··3 votes·1,028 views

Is there a reason why no item on Summoner's rift offers both AD and armor? I mean, we have two items that give AD and magic resist, I'd figure there would be a reciprocal item on the armor side. I guess you can build Guardian Angel, but that's a completely defensive item. Is there a balance issue? Something else? Just curious.

Edit*: So I overlooked item 3005 , which does in fact give armor and AD. I'm still not entirely satisfied with that, though. When you compare Atma's to item 3156 (60 AD) or item 3139 (80 AD), I can't help but feel that its 15% crit strike chance does not validate the meager ~30 AD the item rewards an ADC.

I guess some validity for item 3005's stats comes from its cheaper price, but a cheap buy is not something an ADC or an Assassin wants at level 18 typically, and earlier in the game it might not even be gold efficient on them, which makes me question when it makes sense to buy this item on a carry.

Edit**: Also noted by 7ha7guy777, item 3005 is more or less scheduled to be removed next season, which brings us back to square one, hypothetically.

14 Comments

TehNACHO3 votes

Atma's Impaler?

4nth0l0gy1 votes

Well, that's critical strike. The AD only really applies for tanks. I'm talking moreso something a marksman or assassin might consider buying.

TehNACHO2 votes

It's still 30 AD by late game, which is solid for a 2300 gold item.

Plus to turn the Critical Strike Argument around, Youmuu's Ghostblade is a well advised item for Assassins. We're not going to invalidate it because of the AS and Critical Strike it grants too, are we?

4nth0l0gy1 votes

Well, to quote the League wiki:

-The base stats are 71.7% gold efficient. -The item is 100% gold efficient when the champion has 1204 maximum health.

So I guess it is gold efficient at level 18 on an ADC (say vayne, who has 1853 HP at that point). Hm.

Yeah okay, maybe you're right. I've just never, ever seen a single ADC use it.

7ha7guy7774 votes

isn't atma's getting removed in s5 though?

TehNACHO1 votes

More or less.

StoneCold422 votes

You have atmas impaler, but a lot of champs can't make good use of it.

RazorTS1 votes

every champ who builds ad and wants to be tanky makes good use of it

67chrome1 votes

Is there a reason why no item on Summoner's rift offers both AD and armor?

item 3005 offers both AD and Armor.

4nth0l0gy1 votes

Yes, the other comments have enlightened me, thanks.

Parceval1 votes

I played Sion on Hexakill last night with atmas.

I ended the game with +90 damage from it. More than I could have gotten from any other item in the game...

4nth0l0gy1 votes

I'm specifically referring to an ADC/assassin build. Sorry I didn't clarify in the initial post, I've updated it since.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

I'm just waiting for the AD version of Zhonya's Hourglass. 80 AD, 45 armor and an invincibility active.

but that would be OP

... because Zhonya's is OP.

4nth0l0gy1 votes

Yeah, Zhonya's is a little OP. But the cleanse on item 3139 and the shield on item 3156 are pretty reasonable! I don't think it'd be too much to ask for an AD/armor item with maybe a similar active component.

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