Sivir And Crit

RocketRelm·Feb 5, 2016·36 votes·2,018 views

Ricochet (W) now deals 1% additional damage for every 2% Crit that Sivir has built.

This sounds simple enough, it should allow Sivir to feel better about building crit, without being too obnoxious.

28 Comments

SaiannaFeb 5, 20165 votes

I really wish Sivirs ricochet would use numbers from crits..

I've asked for this like 3 years ago with no response (and back then Sivir was garbage tier)..

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 5, 20162 votes

her Q should crit.

FaieFeb 5, 201612 votes

Not a chance. Her Q deals around 300-400 damage as it is. That critting would be ridiculously op.

CrossetteFeb 5, 201610 votes

300-400 damage is legitimately nothing. If you think that would be bad, look at THIS BITCH

MissFortune

Her Q can deal upwards of 300 damage at level 6 if she has NO CRIT because of the bounce/crit on it. Not to mention her ult crits.

Dunkrius2gFeb 5, 20163 votes

She just havent receive the nerf where she needs it.

Ariel the CruelFeb 5, 20161 votes

Her Q can do about 300 damage at level 3 without items.

CrossetteFeb 5, 20161 votes

Easily.

Ariel the CruelFeb 5, 20161 votes

No, not "easily". Just can.

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I went against one in my last game. really underestimated her buffs. At level 3, she was doing 300 damage Double-ups.

47AD [base]+ 47AD [love tap] + 62(+70.5) [Double up second hit] = 226.5 If double up kills the first target: 132.5 + 50%[66.25] = 198.75+47+47 = 292.75

. . .

CrossetteFeb 6, 20161 votes

Assuming people don't take AD runes and masteries...

Then yes, that's true.

If she does, good luck.

Ariel the CruelFeb 6, 20161 votes

I don't think I'm communicating my point here. (>_>)

MF's Q does 292.75 damage at level 3 using only base AD. No runes, masteries, items, or Jannas. She doesn't "easily" do about 300 damage, she does about 300 damage, if it kills the first target. It does 226.5 damage if the first target isn't killed.

Granted, landing the second hit isn't necessarily easy (thanks RNGesus). But in terms of what it can do, there's no effort put in. 292.75 is a base value. I only bring it up because you said she does 300+ damage at level 6, but she hits that point much sooner.

CrossetteFeb 6, 20161 votes

Now I feel dull.

I got it. You actually made your point clear :P

MunchCrunchLunchFeb 5, 20162 votes

{quoted}

Not a chance. Her Q deals around 300-400 damage as it is. That critting would be ridiculously op.

meanwhile mf ult deleted an entire team with its crit. mf Q + passivecombo chunks for 500 damage at level 6-8

The LovelessFeb 5, 20163 votes

yeah but MF ult isn't every 10 seconds.

J E B A ł T E DFeb 5, 20163 votes

"her Q should crit"

or nah.

The LovelessFeb 5, 20162 votes

She only has 2 damage moves. Her passive, e and ult are all utility-based, so by default, she has less offense to trade with opponents.

I think her current passive can be moved to either w passive or added as another passive on her ult, giving more MS when attacking with higher ranks. In exchange, she gets another passive to help with damaging opponents.

But if Riot goes with the idea to add crit to her W bounces, she can tag the backline from afar.

DeathBurstFeb 5, 20162 votes

Why make a new thread for that when there is another thread with Meddler actually posting in it and saying that Ricochet will probly receive a buff soon? Go participate in that other thread ;)

RocketRelmFeb 5, 20162 votes

One, multiple threads increase visibility of an issue (See: 3 Refunds Per Season, though that one's still not been touched much). Two, the actual red's stopped posting in that thread hours ago, and a particular suggestion vitalizes discussion. Three, I really do not want "independent crits" on her wave clear, and would rather have a standard damage for them all, simply because it fs with her Waveclear and there's no reason to deliberately make a choice that makes Sivir feel bad about wave clearing.

(the fcking up of wave clear, imagine this, you pop w and clear a line of minions heading to your base. Imagine you crit minions 2-3 and kill them, but not the rest. Now your other bounces don't hit the rest, and it results in an actual 'nerf' from before where the 3 ws woulda cleared the whole wave.)

DeathBurstFeb 5, 20161 votes

Ok, fair enough.

Silents429Feb 5, 20162 votes

So instead of replying to Meddler, who commented that it was late at the time of posting, it's much easier to get the free upvotes?

SnugglePuggle94Feb 5, 20161 votes

I just played her and did like no damage. Then got immediately deleted by Kha and Yas cause my team wouldn't peel for me.

[slayer-jinx-unamused]

J E B A ł T E DFeb 5, 20161 votes

if it's that bad, item 3053

adc's get deleted. if your team can't peel from you when you get one shotted or are about to, buy this and give them some time

or if you're too stubborn, try item 3046 , or both

SnugglePuggle94Feb 5, 20161 votes

I know they do. I rarely get teams that will help peel though which is aggravating.

kitcat300Feb 5, 20161 votes

They have buffs planed for her.

{quoted}

Yeah, this season's been a bit rough on Sivir. We're going to be testing some changes to her shortly and are planning on helping out subsequent W bounces. Current thinking is towards allowing W bounces to crit, since that goes well with the AD itemization that's otherwise appealing to Sivir. On hit effects would certainly be cool, but adds a lot of power in some cases and would require Sivir be balanced around the most optimal cases.

As far as Sivir's strategic niche goes the ult's always been a big part of that. Strong wave clear and reasonable team fight AOE are also intended strengths though, so this change supports that well. She's meant to be weak as a duelest too, so W bounce buffs as you've identified are potentially a really good fit.

Maximum MordeFeb 5, 20161 votes

Sivirs spell shield now reflects the spell back at its target instead of just absorbing it.

QuephaFeb 5, 20161 votes

Why not just let it crit? That's more fun. Even critting for half the bonus damage would be functionally the same as your change but still more fun.

My Waifu VanillaFeb 5, 20161 votes

Unnecessary RNG is unnecessary

QuephaFeb 5, 20161 votes

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Unnecessary RNG is unnecessary

Nah, crits are fun and RNG adds some spice to the game.